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# 00102 :  The Problems all Youths Face!!!!!!(help needed)
I am a 18 year old born again Christian who was born and brought up in a brethren family in a good Christian atmosphere.I was born again when I was 10 years old in 1996.I am writing this message to share my spritual problem I have been facing for a lot of years and so has many youths.Please forgive me if my message is improper in this forum.ok. While I was 14 years old by a acciedent I came to vist a porn site since then I have been in a kind of addiction to pronography to now. I got baptized while I was 16 years old and then for some months lead a holy life.But still soon due to the environment in my school and so i again got my self to pronograpy.Many time I have took desecion and repented myself to the Lord that I may not indulge in this sin.But still again and again I am failing.Sincerly speaking I want myself to go for Lords ministry.But when temptations all come I fall back to this sexual sin.I do not have any other bad habits rather than pronography and mastrubation. The next problem or the worser one is that,I am leading a fake holy life before my friends and family.In my class I am considered as the purest and honsest boy.And so do many students look at my as a holy child.And due to me many of my friends have heard the gospel and two have born again.But still no one knows my secret sinfull life behind.Please do help me.This problems is not only faced by me but lot of my born again youth friends.Hoping that through this tread I could straiten my life.And so could many others.
Post by : youth_4_christ  View Profile    since : 6 Feb 2006


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 6 Feb 2006 8:25:02 AM Close
Dear 'youth_4_christ,'

The realization that you are doing something wrong is the first sign that the Holy Spirit is trying to guide you and you are resisting. Do any one compells you to be with the friends who are hindrances to your Christian growth? Or, do you volantarily join them? Christian walk and growth are the individual's choice. We are not to grieve the Holy Spirit. If you try not to, then you will see that there is growth and walk.

Please allow me to be frank. Why are you using a false name 'youth_4_christ?' It indicates that you are a 'youth' who wants to be '4-christ.' It is different from a 'youth who want to be for Christ.' Try to use your own name. Then you will see that there will be self restraint. YIf yu used a false-name (On this forum or else-where), then you will have encouragement to visit a porn-site, because no-body knows that it is you who go there while asking for help. A witness of Christ, should not be afraid of his/her past to hide his or her name. This is the first step. I hope you will take it.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 6 Feb 2006 9:19:46 AM Close
This is an alarming trend we see in mostly younger generation and sometimes even in older. With the age of internet and cable TV, things can easily go out of hand.

The first step is to realize that such practices are wrong and ask God to give grace to withstand temptations. The more we succumb, the more we build a callous thus becoming insensitive to the Holy Spirit prompting.

Take time to make some practical changes. It is dangerous to keep a computer in your room where you can retreat to on your own and practice such. To build accountability, come out in the open i.e. move your computer to the living room. Even then, avoid being alone when using the computer. Go for a walk and avoid being idle. Ask your parents to put a password and then request them to turn it on for you only when they are around. By doing so, you foster accountability.

Start a one-on-one accountability session with an older spiritually-mature person (of the same gender) you can trust. Meet with the person regularly throughout the year. Share your struggles and pray together over it.

It is a dangerous trend when parents allow youngsters to have TV/Cable/VCR and/or Computer in the bedroom, if such is the case. I hope parents realize that such allowances can lead to deadly consequences and must wake up before it is too late.

God Bless!

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Reply by : winchuck   View Profile   Since : 6 Feb 2006 10:02:39 AM Close
Dear 'youth_4_christ'

I am also a youth like you, 25 year old born again Christian who was born and brought up in a brethren family in a good Christian atmosphere. I was born again when I was 8 years old.

I was the true Christian like u in front of everybody'd eyes. But for almost 7.5 yrs now, I smoked and did all wrong things even though i was the best of the Christian youths. And I also did the same 2 things like u do especially for the last 2 years since i gt a job and a laptop for myself. I used to do it as i live alone away from my family.

But recently few months back, One verse hit me - "For our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:29"

I was terribly shaken. And it pushed me to be nearer to GOD and i started studying the word of GOD more deeply. U can see a hint of it from my Postings on the pain of the cross in the General Forum.

So, Whenever u feel to do anything wrong, just remember that our GOD is a consuming fire. One great day, the Consuming Fire will test what has been produced through our life. "...it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work...." May I be found ready to endure that final heat, and may He find in me eternal treasures of "gold, silver and precious stones." 1 Corinthians 3:12-13

"Also Continue to ponder on all what Christ suffered. There are some who consider that it is a boring thing to reflect upon the sufferings of our blessed Lord Jesus Christ. Thoughts on His person and sufferings are food for our souls. It BREAKS, MOULDS AND CHALLENGES US. That in turn makes us strong and loyal followers of the Lord Jesus Christ" (as spoken by Bro. Nelson)

God Bless You

in HIM
Winsy

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 7 Feb 2006 8:49:08 PM Close
Dear youth-4-christ,

Your problems will go when you are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. When you worship Him in spirit.

That is called worship.
You bring God glory by getting to know and love him.

You have to know God personally.

Worship is a lifestyle enjoying God, loving him, and giving ourselves to be used for his purpose.

Isaiah 43:7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

We have to glorify him.

God wants our worship to be motivated by love, thanksgiving and delight, not duty.

When you use your life for God's glory, everything you do can become an act of worship.

The bible says (Romans 6:13)Do not let any part of your body become a tool of wickedness, to be used for sinning. Instead, give yourselves completely to God since you have been given new life. And use your whole body as a tool to do what is right for the glory of God. (NLT).

Dear brother, worship God is truth and spirit. You will get all your problems solved.

Your sister in Christ,

Sunila.

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Reply by : greatlybeloved   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 3:48:17 AM Close
Dear Sis.Sunila,

<<Your problems will go when you are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. When you worship Him in spirit>>

"youth_4_christ" (the original poster) clearly said he is a "born again Christian". "Born agian" it self means "born of the Spirit" (Joh 3:8). Read John 3:1-22 in the same context.

Do you mean to say he should be filled with any spirit other than what is mentioned in Joh 3:8?

<<You have to know God personally>>
How do you know he doesn't "know God personally". You should read Romans Ch.6. It is clearly mentioned it is possible that we sin (because we are in the FLESH) but we are warned NOT to sin.

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that YE SIN NOT. And IF ANY MAN SIN, WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER, Jesus Christ the righteous:" (1Jo 2:1)

- John.

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Reply by : mats   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 5:18:06 AM Close
Dear Y4 C

its very common specilly with christian youths.... it was the same exprience with me also... but i agree with sister sunila ...coz whwn u have a fellowship with jesus you wont feel commiting any sin against lord moreover when u start raeding bible everyday u will feel that holy spirit is guidin you raed all the chapters of proverbs it will sure help u alot.

I really appriciate brother vargese..

''Take time to make some practical changes''

Ya u really need to do that.
y a man sin coz he enjoys it isntit? but latter on he repents y i have done this ,but i tell u one thing from my exprience i was chain smoker i there wer days wen i thought i can never come back to my lord but i tell u one we are his chosen one and he wont leave u but one day lord caught me from that day onwards lord is with me.....


"even thou i walk through the valley of shadow of death i will fear no evil coz the lord is with me thy staff and thy rod comforts me"

If u want to knoe more mail me on this id i will be glad to share my exprience
thoma_mat@yahoo.com

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Reply by : mats   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 5:19:55 AM Close
sorry for the spelling n gramatic mistakes

Rgds

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 7:13:31 AM Close
greatly beloved,

If you think that is right, it is fine with me. While i was writting the other thread, Suddenly something came to my mind and forced me to write this reply to this persons problem. I couldn't resist that force.

Your sister in Christ,
Sunila.

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Reply by : greatlybeloved   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 7:56:28 AM Close
Sis. Sunila,

<<If you think that is right, it is fine with me>>
No, I never said "that is right" nor do i think. I'm questioning your statement that sounded like "a born agian person can be without Holy Spirit" and "can be without knowing God personally".

Let me say again, it is NOT RIGHT TO SIN.

- John.

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 8:42:01 AM Close
greatly beloved,

I didn't say born again person is with out holy spirit. There is a difference between born again with the guidence of holy spirit and filled with holy spirit (baptism in holy spirit). The person in whom Jesus Christ lives, never sin again. Not at least one time. There is temptation. It is not right to do according to temptation and pray to God and control physically. If you are filled with holy spirit you learn to overcome temptation spiritually. You see how temptation come and go. Every time you renew yorself spiritually with holy spirit, you are washing away the presece of evil in you. This world is still under the partial control of darkness. You are not renewing your temptation. Every time you are preparing yourself for Christ to live in you. There is no need for repention again.

May God bless you.

Sunila.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 8:49:16 AM Close
Dear 'sunilajoseph@aol.com,'

On 7 Feb 2006 20:49:08 you arote, "Your problems will go when you are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. When you worship Him in spirit.

That is called worship.
You bring God glory by getting to know and love him.

You have to know God personally.

Worship is a lifestyle enjoying God, loving him, and giving ourselves to be used for his purpose."

In the Word of God, Where do we read what you wrote? Are you saying that this young person is not a believer, when he said, he is? Is worship a life style? Where do we read that in the scriptures? Or, are you making worship similar to the claims of homosexuals - a lifestyle?

Could you explain what you wrote, "You bring God glory by getting to know and love him?" the statement prior to this was, "That is called worship."

Also tell what do you mean by 'filled with the HOLY SPIRIT?" That is how you started your posting on 7 Feb 2006.

Please explain.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 8:53:23 AM Close
Dear 'youth_4_christ,'

There are a few people who are interested in helping you. After your initial posting, you are silent. It is an indication that you are not interested in the help rendered by others. If you really want help, you must respond to others, who are interested in helping you and not accusing you and provide solutions without understanding the problem.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 9:30:01 AM Close
I hate to see this topic sidetracked but just can't help responding to misleading statements like "The person in whom Jesus Christ lives, never sin again. Not at least one time". So does that mean that if a believer sin, he/she does not have the Lord Jesus?

The Lord Jesus comes to live in one's heart when he/she gets born again. As long as we live in this sinful world, we are bombarded by evil forces: Satan, World and Self. We must recognize that we are prone to sin, will sin but must truly repent and be restored in fellowship (1 John 1). Eventually, we will be saved from the presence of sin when we are called into glory. Until then, we must be sanctified on a daily basis.

Will appreciate hearing from the youth_4_christ.

God Bless!

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 9:33:58 AM Close
Gpk,

I know you don't have those kind of problems that boy facing. If he has any questions i will answer. I know that you know clearly waht the baptism of HS is. I confirmed many times that you don't believe that. I am not for debate. I have no helpers like you do. I have Holy Spirit.

Jermiah 9:24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.(KJV)

Jermiah 9:24 (NIV)but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.

I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THAT 'I DO'.

Take care. May God bless you.

Sunila.

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Reply by : winchuck   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 9:42:31 AM Close
Dear all,

The best book ever on Holy spirit I have read and the best book in this world, i believe is the Malayalam book by Bro. K.M. Mathai, Bhopal. Its almost like an Autobiography by the Holy Spirit.

Just go through and u will get all the answers u will ever get on this topic, the holy Spirit.

And I too am waiting for 'youth_4_christ' to respond.

in HIM
Winsy

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2006 6:47:53 PM Close
youth-4-christ,

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Here is a video offer, if you are in USA.....ANTIBACKSLIDING KIT - 1

Order video VM-1069 ($15.00)
OR
Audio Tape TM-1069 ($5.00)

Write to:
Hope of the World, Box 1111, Lodi, NJ 07644.

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Reply by : philip333   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 1:59:18 AM Close

Jesus said"Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted" mattheew 5:4
Jesus said"if you then though you are evil ,know how to give good gifts to your children ,how much more your father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him"matthew 7:11
Roman 6:14 "Sin shall not have mastery over you since you are under GRACE".
May God lead you through a victorious christian life.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 8:21:25 AM Close
'sunilajoseph@aol.com,'

You have not given the scriptural justification for your earlier statements. That is an indication that they are just your own statements without any scriptural backing - just your emotional outbursts.

Your posting of 8 Feb 2006 18:47:53 is a commercial to sell a kit. It includes its price and the price. Is this the intent of having this Forum, or your presence on this Forum? Seems like you are making this Forum a selling place as the Sanhedrin did with the Gentiles' Court in the temple (John 2).

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : joyboy   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 12:24:30 PM Close
Y4C:
Please read Varghese's post above on 6 Feb. It is the only one that has anthing of substance. Theoretical advice given by others doesn't really help. You need practical steps. The first being confession and prayer. You do need to confide in someone you can trust, and be accountable to that person.

GPK:
Just because he doesn't respond doesn't indicate that he isn't reading the advice. Just because he uses a screen name doesn't indicate anything sinister. Why would you use your real name when struggling with this issue? So that it becomes public, and you bring shame on yourself? How is that helping anyone? There is value with posting with your real name. But there is also value when posting under a pseudonym.

SJ: Please don't confuse worship with holy living. Please dont' confuse holy living with salvation. The saved also struggle with sin. I don't know a perfect Believer. do you?

To everybody:
Let this believer struggle with his issues. Let him pray and work it through. Do we really need him to update us with his progress? Let's just committ to pray for him.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 2:29:46 PM Close
Dear 'joyboy,'

The first step to correct a false step is to identify yourself as you are. To know that an alcoholic quit drinking is to identify himself and admit that he is an alcoholic. If he/she doesn't, then the claim of quitting is not true. This is not my theory. It is a fact and is practiced in all AA (Alcoholic Annonymous) groups.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 4:17:10 PM Close
I guess Y4C might be taking his time. That’s fine. Let us continue to pray for this person in the meanwhile!

As always, I am not interested in brining anyone out of the shadows. It is up to each one’s prerogative!

God Bless!

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Reply by : philip2   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2006 9:04:54 PM Close
Dear friend Y4J. weather you are writng for yourself or a friend it took some courage on your part to bring this to this forum.

How can you win a pornography/ sex addiction?

If you are in the Us there is book/ vedeo availble which is called "every man's battle."
What you are dealing with here is not a common nor a simple problem. Yes Masterbation is a found in most youth. The danger in greately increased as pornography is added to the combination. I want you to take this very seriously.
2, Get an accountability partner of the same sex.
1, Realize that this is a serious issue.
3, Realize that there is deliverance out of it.
4, When you are tempted calle this accountability partner. Tell this partner. Confess with this person and pray with that person.
5, Pray with your accountability partner once a day.
6, It will take some time to detox you out of this situation
7, Do not get depressed if you slip up. get right back on track. Do not be afraid. You must be willing to trust a man/woman and be open with that person.
8, If you ever think about getting married and having a healthy family life as well as healthy sexual relationship with your spouse you need to get out of this addiction and it is possible. It takes delibrate work on your side.

9, Many of the teenage sexual issues develop out of minor/ major depression. Do you feel depressed or lonely? It might be good idea to explore these areas also.

Dear Sunila, Everything does not go awy by being baptized by the Holy Spirit. This might be what you were trying to say when you wrote "filled wth the HOLY SPIRIT." The Holy Spirit gives the strength.
So let you be strengthened by the spirit to quit this addiction.
with love of Christ.
Philip.

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2006 7:23:49 AM Close
dear Philip,

I never had this addiction in my whole life. I get problems solved with Christ and holy spirit.

Thank you.

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Reply by : joyboy   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2006 8:19:52 AM Close
GPK: He doesn't need to identify himself to us. Follow the advice of Varghese--identify himself to a accountability partner. Someone who is more mature than he and one who can keep him accountable.

Who are we? A bunch of internet voyeurs. No need to identify to us.

THanks Philip2 for the added practical tips.

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Reply by : philip2   View Profile   Since : 11 Feb 2006 10:30:41 PM Close
Dear Sunila, I do not imply that you had this problem. I am a person who is Baptized by the Holy Spirit. I do not have an addiction to these problems. I do believe that Holy Spirit helps us to live in truth. What I was really saying is when you have a real earthly issues we need to deal with in a very human way.
Being a counselor I am well aware of this issue among the Christian youths as well as some adults. Even though we are spirit filled people we are real human beings and we make errors in our life. When the spirit convinces us of any errors we need to correct ourselves. I did not intent my statement to accuse you of anything.
With love of Jesus Christ
Philip
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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2006 8:02:14 AM Close
philip2,

I am very sorry. I never knew that people had this kind of human weeknesses. That is because of lack of love from others around them and because they are self centered. They have to go out and need fellowship with other born-again people. I heard and learned from kb net.

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Reply by : philip2   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2006 10:42:19 PM Close
Dear Sunila, Most of the addictions result from some form of depression.The adverse effect of the addiction is that they begin to spiral down. That is the reason these people need to get help. If any falls it is our responsibilty to support them and nurse them back to their health. We should neve kick the falled comrads.
At the same time should not put your life at risk by taking on the responsibility to help someone who is going through these struggle and end up falling into the trouble ourselves.
With love of Christ
Philp.
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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2006 7:17:12 AM Close
philip2,

thank you.
i don't know much about it.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2006 11:04:34 AM Close
Dear Youth 4 Christ. (And everyone)
Having read your post and the subsequent responses I have sought the Lord on your behalf. This is what the Lord has revealed to me.
"God has a call on your Life. You are going to be great for the Lord. As a result the enemy is trying to pull you down. Satan send out demonic spirits to sow seeds of doubt into your mind. To tell you the opposite of what the Lord knows of your heart. Be strong for the Lord, let Jesus and the Holy Spirit Be your strenght. From this Battle you Will emerge victorius."

I've read the end of the Book....We Win.
You are to put on the Armour of the Lord (Eph 6: 13-18.) As Philip2 suggested in an earlier post, find a strong prayer partner whom you trust. Pray to the Father that he fills you continuosly with the Holy Spirit. Call on the Holy Spirit himself to fill you anew everyday.
With the Authority of God, as a son of the King, as an hier to the inheritance of Jesus, Pray to the Lord for protection as you go into battle against the spirits that are tempting you.
In Matt 10 v 8 we are all given the Authority to Heal the Sick, Cleanse Leprosy, Raise the Dead, Cast Out Demons, etc.
Addictions are from Satan. the enemy will send demons and spirits of deception to try to confuse you, to try to pull you back from your spiritual inheritance. Know that whatever you pray and ask the Lord for what you earnestly desire. Your prayer will be answered. Therefore in Faith and in the mighty name of Jesus:
1-Pray for wisdom in this spiritual Battle.
2-Ask the Holy Spirit to be your strength.
3-Bind the Spirit of deception and temptation.
4-Command it to release your mind.
5-Command it to leave you.
6-Ask the Holy Spirit to fill you again and protect your mind.
Ask your prayer partner to lay hands on you while he does the same. Jesus said that when 2 or more are gathered in his name he is with us.
Jesus wants us to be healthy, He wants us to be filled with the Spirit, He wants us to be free from the hold of Darkness.

In Jesus Name.
David

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2006 11:20:50 AM Close
(Continued from above)
My blessings to you all wherever you may be.

Further to my above post. I urge you all to pray continually for this young person. This is a tremendous battle that he/she is facing. This young life has a call of God on it. I have faith that a breakthrough will be made and that Youth-4-Christ will emerge a valiant warrior in the army of the Lord. They will come through the other end a stronger person in Christ.

I will submit this as a prayer request at my weekly Youth Meeting. We will pray for breakthrough which I believe we will see and already are seeing in so many other areas.

Our 13-18year olds are already seeing breakthroughs in healing (deafness, creative miracles in cartledge repair in joints, release from severe back pain, etc).

We will pray in faith for a release of this Young Person.

In Jesus Mighty Name all things are possible.
Praise God for his love and grace.

I thank you all for your loving concern for each other. Continue to encourage each other and show the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, Our King, Saviour, Lover, Friend, Companion, Strength, Joy.

Youth-4-Christ: Please let us all know when you receive your breakthrough. I am believing the promises for this. Remember that the we all experience temptations. When this occurs just say this prayer. (it works for me).
"Father, I thank you for the _x__ temptations that you have allowed me to experience. I ask you to stand firm in my life and BE my strenght as I am weak without you. Thank you Father for all you've done in my life. In Jesus Name"

The strongest binding of the enemy occurs when we share our testamony with other believers.

May the lord bless you and keep you.

In His Name.

David

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Reply by : youth_4_christ   View Profile   Since : 17 Feb 2006 2:22:38 AM Close
Dear Brothers in Christ,
I am very very sorry for my late reply.Sincerly today only I came to login and read the replys.I dont have a computer home, so I should come to a cafe neatby.I couldn't reply soon as I was having my Board Pratical Exams and Model exams.Please do forgive me for not replying soon.

I was really happy and suprised to see the reply in the forum and thank everyone for their spiritul advices.

Dear Uncle,George P. Koshy on 6 Feb 2006 you had posted

"Please allow me to be frank. Why are you using a false name 'youth_4_christ?' It indicates that you are a 'youth' who wants to be '4-christ.' It is different from a 'youth who want to be for Christ.' Try to use your own name. Then you will see that there will be self restraint. YIf yu used a false-name (On this forum or else-where), then you will have encouragement to visit a porn-site, because no-body knows that it is you who go there while asking for help. A witness of Christ, should not be afraid of his/her past to hide his or her name. This is the first step. I hope you will take it."


Dear Uncle,
Yes I do like to share my name but the main problem I am facing is that most of my friends,cousins and realtives use to visit this website frequently.And one of my friends have started doubting me.I would like to share my email id to you and would be really happy if you could send me an email so that I could tell you more about myselfy. it is being_christ_like@yahoo.com.

Dear Varghese Uncle,
Thanks for your reply.Yes it does help me too.But the main problem me and many are facing is mastrubation.In my home as I dont have a computer and T.V(had both before, but sold them due to my 12th exams)I dont use to vist pronographic websites or sorts.But just by seeing some sexy picture or article I get tempted and may mastruabate.And in my life I am now in a lukewarm christian state.And my Christian life is also filled with a kind of dynamic change.Some time a message at convention
cont....

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Reply by : youth_4_christ   View Profile   Since : 17 Feb 2006 2:39:27 AM Close
may make me realize my state and turn away from my sin.And some times backsliden.Sincerly speaking I have taken firm decisons many times that I won't do this sin.I have cried to my Lord to.But just at any time I again fail and fail.
Yes I have experianced my Lord personaly a lot.And have read books like Philp Yancys "Reaching the Invisble God" which has really inspried me to know God personally in my life.Another book the "True Christian Battle" has really helped me in my life to lead a holy life.
So I had indeed experianced all but I do fail.
I know that the fault is on my side always.But some days when I do pray a lot early moring and take quiet time.That day is really blessed for me.
And as Philip uncle had told some problems or depression make me again back slidden.

Dear brother David,I also thank you for do praying for me and for your reply.Yes from today onwards I am going to fight back and the weapons I have is Prayer,the Word of God and more faith in him.
All readers do pray for me.In a youth camp last year I had commited my self that I would go for Lords ministry if God calls me and I am waiting for It.Till then I would study my best.
So again I request everyones prayer and support.

being_christ_like@yahoo.com

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 17 Feb 2006 4:23:27 AM Close
Dear Youth_4_Christ.
I am excited to see such a love of Jesus in your Life. The determination that you have to live a chirst like life should be an example to us all.

I have also been inspired by Philip Yancy, Bob Sorge, Bill Johnson and many other. These writers have a tremendous gifting. I would recommend all of the writers as very inspirational.

I have also listened to and read much of Todd Bentley. He is an evangelist based in Canada (fresh fire ministries) he is very gifted in healing. I would recommend a book titled "Christ's Healing Touch". Todds Testamony is published on his website as well. He also came from a very very troubled background and discusses much of this in his many teachings and writings (also published on his site www.freshfires.ca)He also has some audio recordings of his message that are very powerful that could provide more of the breakthroughs that you are looking for. Titles such as "Soaking in the Secret Place" for example.

May I continue to encourage you that through the might Lord Jesus you will break free from this bondage. Remember however that Jesus instructed us to do this and also gave us the authority over the enemy. (Matt 10v 8)

I have every faith that you will receive the strength of the Lord to combat this enemy intrusion into your life and mind.

I prophesy great things and big breakthroughs in your life. You are part of a mighty generation that are going to bring about much needed revival around the world. You are a mighty man of God.

I realise that you have probably prayed into this for some time. Rememeber that all you have to do is open your spiritual eyes and see into the realms of heaven and call forth what you see. In faith know that your request for healing & breakthrough has been answered and call it forth into the natural world. Take hold of the enemy and rebuke it every time temptations begin to grow in your mind and heart.

May God bless you and Keep you.

Your Brother in Jesus' Mighty Name.

David

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Reply by : youth_4_christ   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2006 2:06:24 AM Close
Dear Brothers in Christ,
Yes I thank you all for your prayers and suggestions.I am coming back to my spritual life again.But sometimes fall down.But still I do repent and go on.Please do reply with your suggestions and Advice .


Dear Brother David,
Happy to see your message.But I just want to bring some points strait and I have some doubts to.

In you post you had said,
<<In Matt 10 v 8 we are all given the Authority to Heal the Sick, Cleanse Leprosy, Raise the Dead, Cast Out Demons, etc.

Our 13-18year olds are already seeing breakthroughs in healing (deafness, creative miracles in cartledge repair in joints, release from severe back pain, etc)>>

Sincerly the reason I chose to become born again was not because Jesus Christ has done great miracles in his ministry or the "miracles" that are seen in this world.But because of his Love to me and that he had died for my sins and chose the punishment and suffering which I should have suffered.And I do not belive in the present age Healing and I can't really understand the reason why you have mentioned literally all the kinds of healing in your thread.

And the reason why I am coming back to my Lord is not because of the miracles you have mentioned but because of his still unfalling love for me..

And in you last post you had said..,

"I "'prophesy'" great things and big breakthroughs in your life. You are part of a mighty generation that are going to bring about much needed revival around the world. You are a mighty man of God."

Can you please explain what do you mean by Prophesy..?
If you are meaning the spiritual gift, it has been stopped and the prophsey mentioned in the Bible was only prohesing the word of God..

contd..

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Reply by : youth_4_christ   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2006 2:21:31 AM Close
And in you last post you had said..
<<I have also listened to and read much of Todd Bentley. He is an evangelist based in Canada (fresh fire ministries) he is very gifted in healing. I would recommend a book titled "Christ's Healing Touch". Todds Testamony is published on his website as well. He also came from a very very troubled background and discusses much of this in his many teachings and writings (also published on his site www.freshfires.ca)He also has some audio recordings of his message that are very powerful that could provide more of the breakthroughs that you are looking for. Titles such as "Soaking in the Secret Place" for example.>

Here I do not need any kind of healing but should repent and straiten my life(which I have done now and is doing)And I did vist the website but was disappointed to see that it only had a lot of boasting about its ministry all healings and good things they have done.Yes this do attract a large number of people.But this in not the reason why a person becomes born again or a backslidden comes back.

Sincerly there is nothing very particular in that website which has a doctrinal basis..
And I do think that you are a pentecostal beliver.Please do realize the reason why I or anyone should become born again is only because of the love of Christ and not because of healing or prohesy..
Yes I am gratefull for your prayer and advice.Please do forgive me I have hurtend you in any kind.I said this because I have many of my friends who have fell to fall in the trap of pentecostal advisors.

Dear Brothers in Christ,
Again please do pray for me that I could emerge victorious in my Christian Life.And Please forgive me if have I done something wrong in this forum.Yes I do thank you all for your prayers and support and I am trying my best with God's grace to get rid of this sin from my life.

I would be really thankfull if anyone here would be ready to help me personally by email(coz in my church or area I dont have any whom I could trust and confide my problem)
MARANATHA

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Reply by : youth_4_christ   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2006 2:25:11 AM Close
my email is
being_christ_like@yahoo.com
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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 20 Feb 2006 1:26:34 AM Close
Dear Youth 4 Christ

As far as you are admitted the fault to others and to the Lord, God will help you to overcome this situation. Do continue to pray and mediate the Word of God as much as possible, God Bless You.

Thank you replying properly to David, beware of this type of people, they may be charismatic.

Biblical Prophecy is closed by the Revelation to John, by the book "Revelation". The past, present and future of the human beings is prophesied and revealed in the Word of God. We have to meditate and obey it.

Then what is the purpose of present day prophecy & prophet?. They are fortune tellers, in the street we can see parrot players, card players, soothsayers, occult practitioners all are doing the same.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 20 Feb 2006 5:17:25 AM Close
Dear Youth_4_Christ.

Thank you for your frank reply. I appriciate your openess and honesty.

In quoting Matt10 v 8 I am in no way saying that we are to accept Jesus as our saviour just for what he can do or can heal. Devine healing is more than just curing an illness. Healing from Jesus is the Healing of Mind, Soul and Body.

In reference to Prophesy, There is no scriptural reference (as this is so important on the forum) to indicate that prophesy no longer comes from God. I spend much of my day in a secret place with the Lord and have a very intimate relationship with my Him. I spend time with him and he speaks to me directly. (In Pictures, Dreams, Visions, Still small voice and on one occassions when He was really wanting my attention I heard an audible voice). Sometimes he speaks to me personally and on other occassions he speaks to others through me (as well as others in our church family).
Please note the five fold ministry is so that we have Apostles (To provide Guidance), Pastors(to tend to others), Preachers (to speak the word), Teachers(to teach about the word/Lord) and Prophets (to speak God's Will to the church).
I am filled with the Holy Spirit everyday (as this is what I pray for each morning) there are many gifts of the Spirit (Prophecy, word of knowledge, Speaking in Tongues, interpretation of Tongues are but a few).
Not only do I hear from God on a prophectic basis but God also provides me with words of Knowledge in order to ensure that his will is done here on earth as it is in heaven. These words of knowledge are very specific when I receive them that I have no option but to put into action what the Lord wishes me to do.
You have no need to accept any prophecy over your life. Remember however that prophesy is from God and it is a way that God speaks to people and communities. Weigh the word and see if it speaks to you. See if the Lord will confirm this. If you feel that the Lord is saying otherwise let the Prophecy go and move on.

Cont.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 20 Feb 2006 5:34:05 AM Close
Correction to above: Prophesy is one of the ways God speaks to us.

Contd.

Whilst I appreciate that you are seeking the Lord purely due to his unfailing Love.

I do believe however that Jesus has given us the Gift of the Holy Spirit. This gift includes Prophesy, Healing (of mind soud and body),supernatural Power and so on. I do also believe that as these are gifts given by Jesus/God, we are to make use of them. (I'm sure nobody would not be happy if they gave somebody a gift and the gift was left wrapped up on the shelf without being opened - So to with the Lord).
The gifts and anointings of healing are a gift and should be used to further the Kingdom of the Lord. We know that there is no sickness (body or mind) in heaven. We know that Jesus wants us to prosper and be healthy. We know that Jesus wants us to "Heal the sick (etc)" This does not only mean somebody that is deaf, ill etc it includes those that are held in spiritual warfare with the enemy. Spiritual warfare does result in Mental issues (mental illness, addictions etc).

I hope this has provided some clarity to your questions.
[I assure you that I take no offense at your recent post as we are all entilted to question each other (This practice is also encouraged with in the Word).]

I do not wish to side track this forum anyfurther as you have a very important issue to deal with. Let us move forward and attack this issue head on with the Power of Prayer.

I will continue to Pray with Love for my Brother in the Lord. I will petition the Lord on your behalf for breakthrough in this matter so that you may be free from this temptation.

May God bless you and Keep you.
In Jesus Name.
David

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 Feb 2006 12:00:14 PM Close
'matt10_8'

As your postings are peppered with unscriptural remarks, I have answered them in the General Forum under the thread, "Holy Spirit - Baptism & Filling." You made similar postings on that thread also.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 Feb 2006 12:03:01 PM Close
Dear 'youth_4_christ,'

As you provided your e-mail address, let me ask for a favor. Please sign in on the Moderated Forum and there we will have the ability for personal communications using the ‘private message’ capability of that Forum.

From what I read, I conclude that what is needed in our Christian life is prayer, and reading and meditating on the Word of God. Then you may also read books written by godly men who feared God and encouraged or encourages others to follow the Word of God. Some of them are Augustine, Jerome, Hodge, Newberry, Darby, Grant, Kelly, and so on. (This list is not exhaustive.) Being occupied with Christ is the only way we can escape and overcome the enemy.

Shalom malekim!!!!

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Reply by : etoile   View Profile   Since : 21 Mar 2006 11:45:17 PM Close
your honesty is much apprecaited with GOd and us, i pray that you over come your habit...
God be with you..
<3 etoile
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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2006 2:57:33 AM Close
Matt10_8,

I agree with you and believe what you are saying. I have similar kind of experience. I had it at sleep and after that i wake up. God speak to me and show scenes from the bible. And I hear his message and calling. I don't say this in public because they say it is mental. We had a young doctor in our church had the same kind of experience during his medical study years. He is married now and is a missionary doctor.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2006 1:07:36 PM Close
Dear Sunila.

Jesus says in many verse in the Bible, "The Kingdom of God is near (or at hand or has come upon you). In John 3v3 he says "Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God" in v 5 he says (paraphrase) unless we are born again of water and spirit we cannot enter the Kingdom.

This is a if then statement. If we are Born again of water and of spirit we CAN enter the kingom. This "can" means we are able. There is no time frame on this "can". Therefore as Christians we are citizens of the Kingdom of heaven. We have been given the authority by Jesus himself and through the word of God in both old and new testiments to take use the authority we have been given to defeat the works of the enemy. As God created everything, everything is therefore part of the kingdom.
The Kingdom of God is within each and every believer. The difference is the amount of the kingdom we choose to use to further our purpose in Jesus.

In 1 Cor 4 v 20, Paul explains that the Kingdom of God is not in words but in Power. As we are inhabited by the Holy Spirit we must be sensitive to Him and allow him to guide us in our daily walk. We must learn to know the Fathers heart, We must learn how to pull the Kingdom of God from the Spiritual realm into the natural realm.
Jesus himself said that greater works than this will we see before the Son of man returns. (paraphrase again). HE, through his blood has made us part of His kingdom. We have been given the power and the authority to take dominion over the works of the enemy. This is the mandate placed on us as christians. The Kingdom is like a mustard seed, we must allow this to grow in our hearts so that we become full of the Kingdom of God. We are to bring the reality of heaven to the earth to conquer the works of the enemy in our own time.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2006 1:28:56 PM Close
cont.

All this said we must make sure that what we are given as revelation is checked against scripture. When you are given a revelation learn to ask what it is for and where it is spoken in the Word so that you know if is from the Lord.

We must also remember not to loose sight of Jesus. We must be focused on him and follow his word and teachings. When we speak we must allow the Holy spirit to work through us on the hearts of the lost that they may also come to know Jesus. We must be sensitive to the Holy Spirit.

Sister, Do not be afraid to talk about this in public. So what if people think it is / you are mental? When you hear the "Still small voice" or have the visions or impressions placed in your heart you will know what you purpose and calling are. We are ruled by a gracious God. Allow you heart to listen to the Holy Spirit. Let him guide you. The more you are guided by the Holy Spirit and allow Him to work through you the more you are entering into the Kingdom of God and all the "riches" of the Kingdom. If you allow your heart to be open and receptive to the direction of the Holy Spirit you become a vessel through which the Power of the Holy Spirit can work here on earth.

I pray that you learn to submit fully to the Holy Spirit's direction and guidance, That He gives you eyes to see and ears to hear the Fathers will and understand more fully the purpose and call the Father has on your life. I pray that you will be given the strength to speak boldly, and have Faith in the authority given us by Jesus.

In Jesus Mighty Name
..David

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2006 11:46:38 PM Close
David,

Let me write for those who donot believe this experience.

In the begining, it looked like somebody talking to me and i doubted who is this. Am i crazy. Am i having hearing problem. Then i heard it is me. Who is this. Then i remembered in the bible calling Samuel, Samuel. I recongnized God could speak to me like that. I believed that.

One night i heard a clear voice saying to me "I am the potter". Then I said " I am the clay". I woke up. I thought about it. Then I understood that God is going to use me in a different way. That was an answer to my prayer. Those days I was worried about hard times going through my life. I asked God, Why is this happening to me.

Another night, I was taken to somewhere and placed me infront of clear, bright, white as snow light. I cannot explain that light. That light spoke to me. I stood in front of that light. After that light talk, I said "I do". Soon i was taken back to the place where i was. Then i woke up.

Another day HE was telling me about Gaza. I am not worthy to say that He spoke to me about this. He showed me the bible readings about it. That was it.

Sunila.

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 23 Mar 2006 9:31:19 AM Close
Dear Sunila.

I am feel blessed hearing you testamony. The Lord seems to have a great call on your life. Be sensitive to the Holy Spirit and let him guide you. HE WILL show you what to do and how to do it. The more you are open to the Holy Spirit the more revelation and words of knowledge you will receive.
Write down all you are shown and see. Ask for scriptures and ask for what action is required of you. Sometimes these words of wisdom are for your own benefit as they will equipe you to perform His will. They are like information you will need to have to hand for the Job. Other times you will need to use / speak the information you are given / shown. Ask Him what the information / visions etc are for and he will guide you.

May the Lord Bless you and Keep you.
In His Name.
...David

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Reply by : etoile   View Profile   Since : 23 Mar 2006 11:11:20 PM Close
dear sunila,
i believe you becaues God has spoken to me also before, think of it as a priveledge to be so near to GOD
in his love, etoile
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 24 Mar 2006 2:36:56 PM Close
Dear Benny,

Please tell me, how can we be good warriors of the Lord, if we refuse to take our position as His disciples in this world? There is a first step we are expected to take, Matthew 28:19. We are not to take that position in this world after we are strong and victorious. Each step we take, according to His wish and command, will strengthen us to be complete.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : believer   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2006 5:54:58 AM Close
Sunila,

On March 22nd, you wrote to David: "One night i heard a clear voice saying to me "I am the potter". Then I said " I am the clay". I woke up."

Based on what you wrote, this event happened during sleep. Did some one else hear what you said "I am the clay"? Or this was part of a dream?

Believer

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2006 1:43:54 PM Close
Believer,

Nobody else heard this. I think so. My husband was next to me sleeping. That was not a dream. I said in my mind. I hope so. I am sure that i said that. That happened in my clear consious. My husband didn't say that he heard something that i said.

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Reply by : godschosen   View Profile   Since : 29 May 2006 3:16:34 AM Close
Hi youth_4_Christ,
Don't be discouraged. The very fact that you are acknowledging your problem and want to change is itself something to be happy about.First of all, you are NOT -addicted-.The word addiction is used by unbelievers to describe a compulsive craving for something. Unfortunately believers influenced by the theories of psychology also use it. But what does the Bible say?"God be thanked, that ye WERE THE SERVANTS OF SIN, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.BEING THEN MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness." - Rom 6:17, 18.It is true that sometimes a believer finds himself in a situation in which "that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I" - Rom 7:15.The same Paul also says,"Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." Gal 5:16.Also,"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Co 9:27. The word addiction carries a sense of helplessness. But the believer is not helpless because he ALREADY has God's Holy Spirit indwelling in him, to help him overcome sin. The word addiction also carries a sense of victory once and for all, like, I was addicted to smoking; after therapy I got cured and today I don't feel like smoking. It doesn't work that way with sin. EACH day we may be tempted, and each occasion needs a victory. If I've not checked any porn for the last 3 months, it doesn't mean I don't have to be concerned. Each one of us has to be mindful of the spiritual threat that pornography poses until we are about 75 years old (after that there's hardly any desire for sex, if I'm not mistaken).
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Reply by : godschosen   View Profile   Since : 29 May 2006 3:19:21 AM Close
(continued..)
Unlike unbelievers, believers are not helpless against temptation: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." - 1Co 10:13
Based on experience, I identify 3 reasons which make us susceptible to porn.1) Just plain lust.2) Idleness; its like an entertaining pastime. 3) Depression/disappointment. We are upset about life, or disappointed about something God has allowed or not allowed, and are trying to escape the unpleasant reality.Try to identify what the problem is with you. Everyone will have elements of all 3 but there is one factor which is perhaps the dominating one. Once the cause is identified, we can deal with the problem by attacking each of the above causes.1) "Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word." - Ps 119:9. Spend time with God's word even if you don't feel like opening your Bible. Try to find pleasure in the things of God. If possible, try to have good friendships with believer girls. Spend time with them, discussing non-mundane (especially spiritual) things. I say "if possible" because although God intends for us to have these kinds of relationships, you may not have the chance because of legalistic church people, residing far away form your church, etc. We don't have to mourn if we don't have these things. That's when "His grace is sufficient for me" becomes applicable. To draw God's grace, we need to spend time with Him.2) "Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." Eph 5:16, "Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time." - Col 4:5. In our country, even if anyone is not interested in serving God, earning enough money to live decently should take up most of his time! Find something better to do. Do not go online unless you've clearly told yourself the purpose of doing so.
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Reply by : godschosen   View Profile   Since : 29 May 2006 3:21:13 AM Close
If you are in a cybercafe and you finish checking mail in 50 minutes don't continue to sit because the charges are for one hour. Its better to waste a few rupees and have one's morality intact.3) Try to resolve the issue with God. As imperfect people, it is almost inevitable that we will sometimes have wrong expectations from God, and when our expectations are not met, we feel disappointed and discouraged. I was disappointed with God when I graduated in 2001 because I thought I did not get a good enough job. I also wanted to be in the US. Gradually I realized that I disliked my job because I had wrong ideas of what constitutes a respectable job. I found that I also liked what I had to do in my job, which would not be the case if I had got a more conventional "respectable" job. I later also got God's assurance that it was his will for me to be in India. Today there's no bitterness in me. My only regret is not being surrendered enough to God at that time in order to realize His will for me.Think of the consequences of porn:
1) Your marriage will be ruined. How will your future wife feel? What kind of upbringing will you give your children if your own life is not in order?2) You have a sense of shame/lack of confidence when you interact with others, especially girls. You'll have no testimony.3) One day you'll stand in front of God with no trophies to show.When we think of marriage on the one hand (what kind of girl will I get?), and the extremely pretty girls we can look in pornography, it is possible to feel disappointed with the attractiveness level of the girl that we're likely to get. But we need to realize that God has still promised to give us joy (despite all imperfections) if we obey Him.Don't brood over the past: "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." - Php 3:13, 14
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Reply by : sincy_varghese   View Profile   Since : 1 Jun 2006 9:00:37 PM Close
A very sensible post by godschosen. This is what people need, speaking the truth in LOVE. I think Youth_4_Christ would have been blessed by these three posts from godschosen. I found this to be more helpful than most other posts under this topic!!

God bless!

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Reply by : premjy   View Profile   Since : 6 Jun 2006 5:18:17 AM Close
Praise The Almighty Lord

Dear Brothers/Sisters In Christ and especially Youth 4 Christ,

Greetings to all of you in the Matchless name of my Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ.

I have read all the postings here. Every person in this world conveys things which he/she had learned from his/her past experiences.

When Paul wrote epistle to Hebrew Church he says in Hebrews12:2 "Look unto JESUS, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God". BIBLE teaches us, to look unto JESUS, not unto man.

I have learned with GRACE that BIBLE is the only sufficient book needed for a child of GOD to walk in statues of GOD, no not other books.

Every person in this world is tempted to doo sin (to lust with eyes, heart and lot and lot). But with GRACE I know one person who is been tempted and has won the battle and defeated the powers of satan 'He is only JESUS CHRIST SON OF THE LIVING MOST HIGH GOD'.

As we all know the story of Peter walking on Water. How did he walked ? He asked JESUS permission for that ? (Read Mathew 14:22-33) JESUS permitted and then Peter started walking on Water looking unto JESUS, but suddenly when he moved his face from JESUS and look boisterous wind, he became afraid and started to sink in water. Suddenly he cried "LORD Save me", what did JESUS do, the verse says "And immediately JESUS Stretched out his hand and caught him".

When we start looking to other things apart from JESUS's face, its sure we will start to sink in this sinful world of ocean. But that time Cry unto JESUS as Peter cried LORD MY GOD I am sinking in ____ sin. OUR LORD JESUS will surely save, becuase he is near to us.

As Paul says in Hebr 12:1 "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us".

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Reply by : premjy   View Profile   Since : 6 Jun 2006 5:35:59 AM Close
contd...

Dear Brother [Youth4Christ], as all are praying for you, do not be discourged. Endure the temptations, one day our LORD will come and we will be raptured to our LORD JESUS.

Do you think JESUS cant help you when you are tempted. Cry unto him. How much he suffered for us. He left everything for us, could he not able to deliver you from this small temptation?

I also go through temptations, that time I look unto my LORD JESUS CHRIST who saved me from sin, curse and every bondage of satan. I endure temptation with not my ability (what is man ? nothing but a pile of dust), it is JESUS CHRIST who is with me and I am covered in HIM and JESUS in me. Praise to HEAVENLY FATHER.

I have learned one thing that without the permission of my GOD HEAVENLY FATHER nothing will touch us.

HE who makes the pot/vessel, knows how to secure it, the pot/vessel shouldnt teach him.

Trust him....... HE is our everything everything. Without him we are zero's, not worthy for zeros also.

Request to all, PRAY for me.

Rise and lets join our hands together in prayer for this nation.

Yours brother in CHRIST
HIS Child
Premji

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Reply by : cb   View Profile   Since : 13 Aug 2006 7:21:47 AM Close
Excuse me Brother Youth_4_Christ:

This is very innapropriate comments you've made. I will print this sinful post and report this too your Mother & Father. Your Parents need too raise you right. You will get punished with severe spanking in near future.

When i find out who your true identity is, your parents and I will sit down and have a long discussion.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 13 Aug 2006 11:45:33 PM Close
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
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Reply by : hellisreal   View Profile   Since : 7 Sep 2006 12:07:54 AM Close
I see that firstly this habbit that you have an open door in your life for the enemy. And their is a spiritual force behind it if you see that you cannot control it. And how can you take authority over this spiritual or demonic power is by the Name of Jesus Christ. So WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS REBUKE THE SPIRIT OF PRONOGRAPHY AND MASTRUBATION OUT OF YOUR LIFE AND MIND AND BODY. SECONDLY, ASK GOD TO TAKE CONTROL OVER EACH AND EVERY ORGANS OF YOUR BODY NAME THEM ALL FROM HEAD TO TOE. WHEN YOU ARE TEMPTED YOU NEED TO REBUKE THE DEVIL THAT PUTS SUCH THOUGHTS INTO YOUR MIND. AND FINALLY REASON IN YOUR MIND WHY YOU NEED TO BE HOLLY AND WHY YOU SHOULD PLEASE GOD. THIS WILL CAUSE GOD TO BUILD A SOLID STANDARD IN YOU MIND AND YOU WILL BE IMMUNE TO THE TEMPTATIONS. FURTHER, CONSIDER SUCH THINGS TO BE DIRT AND chit. UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE PEOPLE DOING SUCH THINGS DONOT KNOW GOD AND WILL BE SUFFERING IN HELL AND IS DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL.

MOVEROVER, INSPITE OF ALL THIS FIGHTING YOU MIGHT FALL, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THE RIGHTEOUS THOUGH HE FALLS SEVEN TIMES WILL RISE AGAIN, NOT LIKE THE WICKET WHOS ONE FALL IS FINAL FALL.

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Reply by : babugeorge01   View Profile   Since : 7 Sep 2006 5:49:33 AM Close
Dear hellisreal

Quote <<when you are tempted you need to rebuke the devil>>. Is there any referenc in the bible where a saint has rebuked the devil? Any such instruction to the church / believer to rebuke the devil? Is this a scriptural command, or is it your personal suggestion?

Quote <<This will cause God to build a solid standard in your mind and you will be immune to temptations>> Is there any scripture to show any saint at any time who was IMMUNE TO TEMOTATIONS? Including Jesus?

Please advice
Babu George

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Reply by : hellisreal   View Profile   Since : 8 Sep 2006 10:28:31 PM Close
ZEC 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD REBUKE thee, O Satan;

Bible says resist the devil and he will flee from you. How will one resist the devil or anything by being passive? Resist:hold out, withstand, stand firm. it means fight to a stand-off, hold one's ground; maintain a position; be steadfast or upright ,resist or confront with resistance. If you never resist the devil he will be around you always without any fear because you are not using your authority and power you have in Jesus Name.

Moreover, Dear Babu, have you forgotten how Jesus and other decipiles cast the demons out of demon possessed? Did they all request the devil to come out???????????????????? or begged him to come out?

Will you rebuke the wind? that looks so foolish. will not anybody laugh if you see someone rebuking the rain and wind? MT 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and REBUKED the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

MT 17:18 And Jesus REBUKEd the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Are you bold enough to rebuke a demon out loud if someone is asking you to pray for a demon-possessed?

MR 1:25 And Jesus REBUKEd him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 9 Sep 2006 9:12:37 AM Close
Jesus Christ rebuked demons, devils, unclean spirit, etc.

Mar 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
Mat 9:25, Luk 4:41, Mat 9:26, Mat 17:18, Mar 9:29, Luk 9:42, Jud 1:9

Jesus Christ rebuked wind and sea. Mat 8:26, Luk 8:24
Mar 4:39 And he awoke, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

Jesus Christ rebuked the disease.
Luk 4:39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she rose up and ministered unto them.

Jesus Christ has the authority and power over all these forces, adversaries, the nature as well as disease.

As far a believer is concerned, New Testament teaching is to “stand against” wrestle, “resist” steadfast in faith, and “to pray” and the adversary will flee away, in order to achieve this we have to wear the Armor of God (Ephesians 6:9-18).

1Pe 5:8 Be vigilant, watch. Your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walks about seeking whom he may devour.
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist, stedfast in faith, knowing that the selfsame sufferings are accomplished in your brotherhood which is in the world.

Jam 4:7 Subject yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Pray & Confess to receive healing.
Jam 5:13 Does any one among you suffer evil? let him pray. Is any happy? let him sing psalms.
Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call to him the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
Jam 5:15 and the prayer of faith shall heal the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he be one who has committed sins, it shall be forgiven him.
Jam 5:16 Confess therefore your offences to one another, and pray for one another, that ye may be healed. The fervent supplication of the righteous man has much power.

But I do not see any teaching in the New Testament for the believers to rebuke these forces.

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Reply by : hellisreal   View Profile   Since : 10 Sep 2006 5:21:07 PM Close
Dear bro. sambudhanoor, i don't see any reason why a believer need to use his authority over the wind and sea. As our mission is to share the gospel to the lost. When Jesus said that all power in heaven and hell is given unto me...and ask anything in my name and it shall be done unto thee...we can certainly use this power in Jesus name to set the captives free.

MT 9:8 But when the multitude saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such POWER unto MEN.

MT 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them POWER against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.[Without the use of this power we are rendered ineffective]

MR 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them POWER over unclean spirits;[The power is not be kept in a showcase, rather to be used, the people are the same now like then and so the demons]

MR 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the POWER of God?

LU 10:19 Behold, I give unto you POWER to tread on serpents [satan] and scorpions [unclean spirits], and over all the POWER of the enemy[over all the hordes of hell]: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.[Jesus is the same yesterday and today, his word is the same even today]

1CO 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the POWER of God.

1CO 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the POWER.

1CO 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in POWER.

COL 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and POWER:

MARK 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up SERPENTS[DEMONS]; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 11 Sep 2006 6:25:19 AM Close
As our discussion is not related to this thread I will be starting a new thread in the General Forum in which you may join in for discussion.
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Reply by : frency_varghese   View Profile   Since : 1 Jun 2007 7:57:37 AM Close
is george p koshy from syracuse?
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 1 Jun 2007 11:16:12 AM Close
frency_varghese,

Is there a George P. Koshy in Syracuse?

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : frency_varghese   View Profile   Since : 1 Jun 2007 3:09:00 PM Close
there is one koshy in syracuse. i am sorry if ur not the same person, uncle, i am sorry.
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