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# 01745 :  What Is Wrong With Bible Schools
Recently I came across a book that condemns Bible Schools. It says that the Brethren assemblies are getting degenerated due to Bible schools.

The book is written by Michael Browne who often visits India. It is published by Silas Nair.

Interestingly, I heard, that both these gentlemen have taken degrees from Bible schools after they published this book. No apology has ever been offered to the brethren community.

This is a case of misleading people by saying that it is wrong for you but right for me.

I strongly feel that brethren youth should protest such misleading propaganda.

Post by : inquirer  View Profile    since : 1 Feb 2009


Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 1 Feb 2009 2:52:21 PM Close
could u please quote the relevant wrods written, and the context in which such an opinion was mentioned.
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Reply by : inquirer   View Profile   Since : 4 Feb 2009 5:59:57 AM Close
The purpose of the book is condemn Bible Schools. This is the full and only context.

The writer michael brownne says that Bible schools are totally wrong and that those who take degrees from bible schools will destroy brethren assemblies.

However, i understand that this man has taken some kind of a degree and that he has been showing that degree with his name and biodata.

This is a case of leaders misleading the flock. I belive this one reason why the brethen assemblies are gradually loosing their young people.

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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 4 Feb 2009 8:07:29 AM Close
What is the name of the book? In my personal view, all have to study the Bible, to know God's will. Bible Schools generally should have a syllabus, and systematic study. However, what they teach is important. If what they are teaching is not mainly based on the Bible, then it will mislead. But if they do teach in the right direction, it can be helpful to the individual. Can you atleast quote a relevant portion of that book,Bro.inquirer, to convince us of your conclusion?
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Reply by : inquirer   View Profile   Since : 5 Feb 2009 7:29:21 AM Close
Here are your quotes

"A warning against the spread of bible teaching institutes among the nt local assemblies"

this is the subheading of the book titled "bible colleges"

Chapters are

1. No scriptural support for theological institutions

2. Early brethren commenced no bible teaching institutes

3.Danger of creating a professional ruling ministerial body

4. Holy spirit teaching not academic qualifications

7. Serious matter to deviate from the divine pattern

8. To build other than gods assembly is to endanger the reward

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Reply by : inquirer   View Profile   Since : 5 Feb 2009 7:35:10 AM Close
On page 9 the man says "how very different is it today when a man's status and acceptance in the church is fast being measured by the titles and degrees he is able to append to his name. And we foster such attitudes by encouraging attendance at the institutions that award such titles. These things ought not to be"

Interestingly, he not only is reported to have obtained a theological degree, but it is also reported that he has been flaunting it.

He says one should not even attend a function in a bible school, but during his India visits he is known to seek appointments and teach in bible schools.

He says a lot of similar things against bible schools. In other words, as far as the blank Indian slaves are concerned, they should not get a bible school degree. It is sinful for the black slaves. But the same thing is permissible and ethical for the white european, because he comes from the country that ruled indians.

It is a shame that we continue in our slavish mentality to the european imprialist thinking of people like michaelle brownne, who teach one thing and do just the opposite.

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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 5 Feb 2009 8:38:45 AM Close
What is stated in page 9 is a fact, to a good extent, but cannot be generalsied, in my opinion.

If the writer is not trying to practice what he preaches, he should refrain from writing it.

However, we cannot say that it is only white skinned people alone who are hypocritical. We can see it all around us, and in us too. But we have to try to honestly try to overcome that attitude, because it is self-destructive. It is even fahsionable to be hypocritical, which means we take it too lightly.

I dont think it is right for Indian Christians to take anti-European sides, or anti-Pakistani sides or anti-Palestian or anti-Israeli sides.Why? Because all people of all nations(not only Europeans) are born as sinners.That element of sin is in their blood, even after one is born-again. That's why we have to be cleansed continuously on a personal level (not on a national or on the base of one's race).

If someone is too arrogant,despite which race he belongs too, it is wrong.

But, it is better to avoid character assasination based on race, as far as Christian is considered, because it also gives an indeirect feeling Indians dont have that mentality. We very well know the salvery suffered under the Zamindari system.

Bible does not advocate slavery, but asks masters to be fair to slaves, and slaves to obey their masters.

So, so long as Bible schools have a good intention, it is good, otherwise bad. Also, it is not right for Indians and Europeans to preach one and practice another. It is also not right for us to attack someone based on his colour/race alone, even if we dont agree with all what he says.

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 5 Feb 2009 1:29:48 PM Close
Dear inquirer,

Let us not make this issue a Black/ White / Brown or any racial conflict. I have known Michael Browne for some years; regretfully I have to say he is a person known to make such so-called ‘traditional’ comments. The best thing is not even listen to such extreme narrow views. If someone likes to be the ‘frog in the well’, so be him.

If I read you correctly, this book was translated / republished in Malayalam by Bro. Silas Nair! I am flabbergasted, if that indeed was translated and possibly promoted by NOW known to be Dr. Silas Nair. Two years ago I happened to glance through Dr. Nair’s own thesis work [forgot the title] for obtaining his Doctoral degree.

Needless to say [if what I read above is true] there is double standard. Let us consider that; but labeling it as a cause of racial tension is totally uncalled for. I know few who are well-respected among the faculties of many theological institutes / seminaries in the US who have Kerala origin. Color does not always dictate responsibilities or positions, but wisdom does.

Tom J

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 7 Feb 2009 12:13:18 PM Close
Dear brethren,
If I'm allowed to say something on this regard, reporting directly from a Bible college,
I previously held to the view the Bible colleges are unbiblical, etc. but what I realized was that I was very hypocritical, as I used Study Bibles, and commentaries and maps, etc. which were product of Bible colleges and were as unbiblical(not mentioned in the Bible) as even the Bible colleges.
I wont say that Bible colleges are heaven, but one thing for sure, you'll really get to learn a lot about life and people. Well I found something...you can find more of the world in the Bible colleges than even in the secular world around. My friend rightly said, "If you can exist in a Bible college, you can exist anywhere else in the world". testimonies of Bible college students say: Bible college will either make you or break you.
For that care must be taken, which Bible colleges one enroll into. Some of them are so liberal, like UBC, etc. that they hold onto the higher critical way of interpretation and may even go as far as to deny the inspiartion of the Bible. Bible colleges teach according to the theology they hold onto. So its important to check the theological stand.
You also get to interact with the big-shots of Christendom and spending time with them, we often discover their true color. We also find people who are really dedicated to the Lord, and get to learn a lot from them. We get an opportunity to re-examine our theology and either change or re-affirm our stand.
We also get to know how people are. We face the most god-fearing and most hypocrites. We learn from their lives or become lifeless living amidst them. So when a child of God goes to a Bible college, his friends and relatives must all pray for him and he himself, only by staying close to God, depending upon His grace can reap the benefits of studying in a Bible college.
Sincerely in Christ,
Tinka
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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2009 5:40:00 PM Close
As seen above, even a Bible School could be a place run by hypocrites, with hypocritical students. But, can generalise all of them, as bad? There were Jews who wanted to follow Christ, and also those who put Him on the cross. If we feel that we have gone to a wicked Bible School, get out. What else can we do? Atleast be the god-fearing person that school. Let Christ be our leader..not Christians.
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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2009 5:46:36 PM Close
Dear Tinka,

I always enjoy your posts. Your writing is honest and straightforward and you say what you mean. None of us are right all the time, but you are a true seeker after God's truth and I pray for your blessing.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2009 8:05:50 PM Close
Dear Tinka,

There are great truths in what you wrote.

Let me caution you about the discouraging remarks you read on this forum. They are the writings of those who do not understand about the schools of prophets in the Old Testament. Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha had them. Many on this forum do not read those portions. I fear God and will not say that those prophets of God were "hypocrites," as some may like to say.

Don't be discouraged or dismayed. That is what the enemy wants us to do.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 11 Feb 2009 5:28:37 AM Close
As Tinka said, there are God fearing and hypocrites too. It is, as always, on a case of case basis, that we should discern. We cant generalise matters. Even in the OT times, there were prophets and false prophets. The Word of God warns us against false prophets very clearly. We do have to be careful. But no need to be discouraged. We can be taught by the Holy Spirit, and guided by Him daily, if we are prayerfully reading His Scripture. There are good teachers, and bad ones, good schools and bad too. We should prayerfully and wisely follow the good, and reject the bad. Even if we get stuck in a bad place, where it is difficult we can be good..not to impress others, but to impress God. He's the one who gave Himself for us. Ofcourse, no problem if others too get impressed. But primarily, let us please God, not man.
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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 11 Feb 2009 6:30:30 PM Close
Not every Bible college teaches right and not every Bibe college is wrong.

See this for example:

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. (Genesis 1:29-30)

God gave meat for man and herbs for animals.

How can Lion eat grass?

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:13:42 PM Close
Dear "don",

Is your last reply a criticism of some Bible college? Are you questioning the authenticity of Genesis 1:30? Could you please explain the point of your entry?

Yours in Christ,

John

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:19:16 PM Close
Dear "ij",

How can a man "impress God"? I suggest you read Job chs. 38 through 41.

Yours in Christ,

John

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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:29:42 PM Close
Dear John,

What I meant is " not to impress others, but to please God". Kindly try to read the full post, to get the idea behind the words. By splitting hairs, u may not get what the writer intended.

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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:38:07 PM Close
John Miller,

If you know the correct interpretation write it down, instead of writing like a boss.

"and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so".(Genesis 1:30)

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:43:01 PM Close
Dear "ij",

Thank you for your clarification. When we speak or write about the High and Holy One, the Eternal God we should take care with our words.

Yours in Christ,

John

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 12 Feb 2009 3:50:01 PM Close
Dear "don",

I asked you three simple questions with no other motive than to try and understand the point of your reply. You appear to be offended at these questions and I regret if they seem to you to have some significance that was not intended. If you are not prepared to answer them, what is the point of contributing to a discussion forum?

John

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Reply by : p.josephraju   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2009 8:18:06 PM Close
I checked with Bro. Silas Nair regarding this book by Bro. Michael Brown. It is a booklet of 20 pages printed and published in Britain first and then reprinted by Thomson Press for the distribution in India. This is never translated in to Malayalam either by Bro. Silas nor to his knowledge by anyone else. Bro. Silas do not hold the view that Bible schools are against the Scripture as he himself is teaching in Bible schools before and after publishing of this booklet.

According to this booklet, Bro. Silas mentioned to me that even Bro. Brown do not deny there is no benefit derived from Bible schools, rather Bro. Brown is concerned that the authority of the local assembly is diminished and that we are producing a class of people separate from others and he is afraid that it will change the character of the assemblies later.

Although many of us hold the view that it is the absolute responsibility of the local assembly to teach the scripture to its members among many other responsibilities it suppose to do. Sadly that is not happening. Hence many of those responsibilities are now undertaken by para church ministries. Whether that is scriptural or not continues to be a discussion and debate among us.

Bro. Silas is a God's servant who came from a Hindu background and served the Lord very faithfully after forsaking his secular career. He is convinced that God will defend him when anyone attacks or misrepresents him either in this forum or outside. However, I am so grieved to see God's servants are attacked in this forum.

I humbly hope brethren will check out the facts before they write in this forum especially if that concerns of a child of God or His servant.

P. Joseph Raju

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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2009 9:11:21 PM Close
I had the privilege of hearing Bro. Silas Nair. His testimony is really wonderful. He came from OMT after conversion from Hindu Background. He relentlessly was struggling in the the Lord's vineyard.
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Reply by : samv   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2009 11:46:01 PM Close
P. Joseph Raju,
This is not the problem of this forum alone. It's the problem of all Malayalee Brethrens.

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2009 2:48:47 PM Close
Dear bro Don,
when bro John Miller asked you about "Is your last reply a criticism of some Bible college? Are you questioning the authenticity of Genesis 1:30? Could you please explain the point of your entry?"...I myself also would've liked you to ask the same since a literal, grammatical, contextual and rhetorical interpretation of the passage(in other words using hermeneutical tools) there seems to relevancy with the message you may have tried to communicate. It is my request, if you would like you use allegory, for unintelligent people like us, it would be clearer if you would state the meaning thereof. Please dont be offended, what i understood from studying the rules governing the Bible interpretation does not use mere use of allegorising texts, but promotes literal interpretation,wherever the text makes clear sense in its context.
Sincerely in Him,
Tinka
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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2009 3:26:05 PM Close
Dear brethren,
Its sad to see a character assassination in the forum, with untrue reason. However, the fact raised by inquirer is 100% true, as I had to fact the same questions and objection before and after I came here. Some are unnecessarily prejudiced against Bible Colleges.
You know brethren, when you are in a Bible college, you can easily get discouraged, if you want to stand strong in the Word and practice, cause you see big-shots who always teach and preach accurately from the word of God, but in their practice its next to zero. But we ought to understand that they too are humans. I realise why the Bible warns the teachers. It really causes other brethren to be caught in a staumbling block, with one wrong attitude or sin in part of those in authority. But when we find contradiction between their preaching and practice, to a great extent, we cant help but wonder. Because we always look upto them, expecting them to atleast practice what they preach, but sometimes are seriously discouraged. But we know that Satan brings all kind of discouragement, and His power is strong in Bible College. You know, these days I'm scared to meet big-shots among our assembly believers..not because of their personality of fear of disillusionment of the image they have in my mind.
Thanks for all your prayers and encouragement. Dear brethren, in another opportunity I would like to request something to all of you, which I noticed in the past few months, as it doesn't fall in the periphery of the thread.
with Christian love,
Tinka
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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2009 6:14:12 PM Close
Dear Tinka,

I made a statement that "God gave meat for man and herbs for animals", not because I really meant it, but I made it deliberately to provoke a discussion. That was because, as per my observation on this board, whenever a participant really wanted to know something, either he was asked to do a great deal of home work in Greek, Hebrew and discuss many passages from the Bible, or he was discouraged. Many times, participants backed out because they did not have either time to pursue or they were unwilling to enter into arguments. Some body called a person, a "Pope" of this board. The prime aim of some here is not to listen to any body from other denominations. Although salvation is not affected on difference in interpretations on some of the issues, the fierceness that we see here in calling others as 'Satan', is too much to tolerate. Keeping these things in view I made an eccentric statement that would provoke somebody here.

But if you really understand the passage from Genesis 1:29 and 1:30 you would see that until the fall of man, there was no discrimination of the food that they had. But, after the fall of man, the man and beast alike ate meat. Before the fall of man, according to Scriptures, there is nothing to establish that animals had meat and man had herbs as their food. As I wrote in another thread, there was an article recently in a magazine, where the author claimed something unusual that God, in the beginning, gave only herbs for man not meat. That is he meant to emphasize that, in the beginning, God gave only non-vegetarian food for man to eat.

That was the reason I wrote:

"God gave meat for man and herbs for animals.
How can Lion eat grass?"

In another sense herbs were meat, and it was the 'food' for man. The word, 'meat' in Genesis 1:29 and 1:30 simply meant that it was 'food'.

That was one way of getting the things across the board this time. Provoke the discussion!

That was a frank admission on my part.



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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 2:02:32 AM Close
Dear bro. Don,
I appreciate your frankness and your boldness in your confession and attempt to continue the discussion, and not leave or give it up, but dear brother frankly I disapprove yours criticism, which I felt in your tone in your message, in "ut I made it deliberately to provoke a discussion. That was because, as per my observation on this board, whenever a participant really wanted to know something, either he was asked to do a great deal of home work in Greek, Hebrew and discuss many passages from the Bible, or he was discouraged. Many times, participants backed out because they did not have either time to pursue or they were unwilling to enter into arguments. Some body called a person, a "Pope" of this board. The prime aim of some here is not to listen to any body from other denominations. "
Truly speaking many times our action or end product may be right but intention may be wrong, or driving force may not be good, such I dont approve. However from my personal experience, I noticed, how harsh the believers may seem to be, if you go and meet them in their personal life, they are really good people, There may be some kind of hypocrisy in some, but they too are humans an we all are hypocrites at some level or other. Whom you say "Pope" as far as I know(though I understand little)he doesn't disapprove other denominational believers, but fights to prove what he believes is right from the word of God, to which you may or may not agree. If you are truly concerned about it, my humble request, dear brother is to pray about it. Don't think from my words that I'm extra spiritual or something, cause I'm much wicked than any of you and a big time hypocrite. So please forgive me, and I urge you to present your view sincerely and humbly, then it wouldn't lead to all the bickering and troubles. Thats just a suggestion,
may Lord tune you guys more to His image and will,
Sincerely in Him,
Tinka

P.S.: If you want to quote or criticize me on the basis of this, you are free to do it.

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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 2:41:00 AM Close
Dear Tinka,

I appreciate your writing and do not have courage to critisize it. But, I feel you are too young to form some concrete opinions as you have posted. I have seen in my life, there are number of believers, who for the sake of position in Assemblies, play great many tricks, or politics, or whatever, you would like to name them. As you grow you will know much about denominations, assemblies and the forces that control them, even though they acknowledge that Christ is the head of the Church, and Christ is our high priest, etc. The assembly, where I was in fellowship with, had split because of only one reason, of grabbing the position as elders.

In spite of disapproving within my heart of the behavior and attitude of the one, whom, you understood as "Pope", I have prayed for him several times. Although he is over 60 years of age, I feel he has to grow much in the Lord, especially in the direction of humbling himself.

Thanks for your comments.

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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 5:45:45 AM Close
As we saw above, our false egos & those of others, are a hindrance to our growth, and those of others around us. Humility is the greatest asset a Christian could have. However, meekness is wrongly understood for meekness very often, and trampled upon. This could be problem for Christians in the church, in a bible School, or outside it. Even the disciples wanted to know their position. The position is that we are kids of Almighty God. Christ himself showed us the value of humility, and the foolishness of pride. Even Gandhiji made use of such teachings of Christ, tho' he was not a Xian. Well, if only the humble among us were made to lead the assemblies, it would have been a joy. As for Bible schools, the idea is not bad, because it systematically teaches the Bible, but if taught by those who dont believe or practice it, or if not run by such spiritually minded people, then it will run into trouble, wont it? Isn't it obvious? So, we cant conclude all schools or all assemblies are all bad. There's only one way to turn them good. If individually we decide to do our part, and let God do the rest. If u r sure the place u r going is full of politics, then better if you can find one which is more spiritual. But enquire well, if the one you are going to change to, is good. Well, as for learning Scriptures, the best method is when we are taught by the Holy Spirit (who's abiding in us), as we read and meditate on it praeyrfully. No bible school can come anywhere near it. We Brethren, do stress theory so much (which is good), but we dont realise that without praciticing it, all this knowledge can only puff us up. Wont it be such a waste of energy, if our knowledge is only harming us? So a commitment by you and me, is what is productive. Rest is all garbage.
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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 5:49:13 AM Close
Correction to 3rd sentence above "...meekness is wrongly understood for weakness..."
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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 1:21:02 PM Close
Dear "don",
I appreciate your concern, but I well understand that anything you or I can do is to pray for them. Only God can change hearts.
Dear "ij",
we often wish to change, but really and crtitcally hardly change ourselves. Thats the most difficult part..we tend to be like sheep. Atleast I can surely tell about myself..I'm horrible..easy to judge others, even when I judge myself, and attempt to change, I sin...I myself am pathetic!
Sincerely in Christ,
Tinka
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Reply by : don   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 3:46:30 PM Close
See Tinka,

This is what you wrote in one of your previous posts:

"Dear bro. Don,
I appreciate your frankness and your boldness in your confession and attempt to continue the discussion, and not leave or give it up, but dear brother frankly I disapprove yours criticism, which I felt in your tone in your message, in "ut I made it deliberately to provoke a discussion. That was because, as per my observation on this board, whenever a participant really wanted to know something, either he was asked to do a great deal of home work in Greek, Hebrew and discuss many passages from the Bible, or he was discouraged. Many times, participants backed out because they did not have either time to pursue or they were unwilling to enter into arguments. Some body called a person, a "Pope" of this board. The prime aim of some here is not to listen to any body from other denominations. "
Truly speaking many times our action or end product may be right but intention may be wrong, or driving force may not be good, such I dont approve. However from my personal experience, I noticed, how harsh the believers may seem to be, if you go and meet them in their personal life, they are really good people, There may be some kind of hypocrisy in some, but they too are humans an we all are hypocrites at some level or other."

The simple answer to my query, that somebody could give, was a truthful straight forward answer, instead of pointing to verses from Isaiah 11th Chater. That is to say, you do not approve that kind of writing also.

This is what you wrote.

"Truly speaking many times our action or end product may be right but intention may be wrong, or driving force may not be good, such I dont approve."

Well, keep praying for all such people including me. You will come across hundreds of people like that in your life. I have been told by somebody very close to me that the inherent inner character of a person will not change, even though he is born-again. The hypocrisy you referred to in yourself will surface again and again.

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Reply by : p.josephraju   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2009 10:34:15 PM Close
This email is personally for Don. If it is possible, please contact me on my email as I would love to discuss with you one important issue.
P. Joseph Raju
aa5756@wayne.edu
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Reply by : ij   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2009 9:11:01 AM Close
Dear Tinka,

Well, something great about our God is that though He is allknowing, His heart is greater than His head, meaning His love and such qualities seems to be more superior, which is why He went so much as to give Himself for us.

He expects the same from us...that our heart be bigger than our head. Not that we should not knwo anyhting, but that though knowledge is very important, we are asked to have a childlike heart, in order to apply that theory and put it into practice.

U have a good quality..that u REALISE that u r not able to constantly keep up to God's standards. Even apostle Paul had your problem! So, it only shows that yr heart is larger than yr head. Keep it that way, becos that is a sign of maturity. But dont be discouraged. God the Holy Spirit who lives in us, WILL help us overcome our weakness, if we are sincere. We will have to depend on Him till the end of our lives. But the moment our head grows bigger than our heart, be sure we are heading for trouble. Once you come to have some knowledge from the Bible, there is a danger of using it for "show off", and also pride could enter our heart. Then we become idiots with a big head. If we always take care to make our heart bigger than our head, we will learn more and more, as we grow humble. Humility to God, is the greatest secret of our strength. So, so long as u r willing to correct yr faults, u will be the victor. If some of our teachers dont practice it, it means they too r not able to follow what they preach. Give respect to those who practice it, becos they r overcomers. Love yr brethren..but dont worship them...worship only God. We can overcome our tendecny to fall, if we humble ourselves and obey God. He is alive and powerful and loving now, and for ever.So never be deiscouraged. Never study Bible for academic purpsoes. Study ONLY for practical usage.

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2009 1:51:01 AM Close
Dear brethren,
I remember someone having told me the 'narrow mindedness' of our brethren, who look at a hand-shake of opposite sex with a wrong eye. I remember that it was mentioned as a brethren phenomena, but believe me, what I experienced during the past couple of days, even in Bible college, surprised me. My character is put to question just because I have few friends who are of opposite sex, and there are rumors of me having affairs to the point that even some in the faculty even have come into interrogation in secret...its really amazing to see all these, specially when being at my home-town with unbelievers, none had such questions. Its interesting to see the strength of devil in the Bible colleges. Thats one way I guess of breaking people!
I request your prayers.
Sincerely in Christ,
Tinka
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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2009 1:38:39 PM Close
Dear Tinka,

The problem that you described is not particularly strange because of the South Indian outlook towards boys & girls interaction. I remember getting a ‘culture shock’ when I first went out of Kerala to Indore [MP]. In Kerala the public transportation has strictly men and women separated same with schools, church, dining area [table] or any place in general.

I got into a three wheeler and lo and behold a lady sat next to me. I had no idea what I should do! I thought the world is coming to an end.. After few trips I easily got over it, and realized that is the norm.

What you see is the reversal of what I have described. I don’t think it has anything particularly against you or it is because you are in a Bible College. Please consider the cultural difference of the South verses other places of India. Also, don’t think the faculty was treating you any differently. [These are my assumptions based on what you have described and from my experience of the South & North from years ago.]

Tom J

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2009 2:50:36 PM Close
Dear Tinka,

What brother Tom J. wrote is a fact. We should conduct ourselves according to the custom of the place in which we live, so that we will be blemless in our conduct. That does not mean that we have to violate the Word of God in our conduct. We must be blameless before God and men, in that order.

You may be attending a Bible School run by people from Kerala. If so, they may have some of the Keral culture. If the male students are from kerala, Tamil Nadu, and Karnataka, then they also may have certain cutural ideas. If those ideas are not in violation with the Word of God, please try to accomodate them. It will help you to keep your testimony, with the goal, "He must increase, I must decreae."

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : inquirer   View Profile   Since : 24 Feb 2009 3:34:46 PM Close
I am amused how the sins of the high and mighty are condoned in this forum by those who speak lofty things about doctrine.

Michael Brownne is a european imperialist who single handedly created a hatred for Bible schools and those who go to bible schools. He used money liberally to carve out a segment for himself among the Indian brethren.

The men who belong to his "camp" are financed liberally by him. He has created "ghettos" of these men and they are not supposed to mingle with others.

But the same man who created a wave against Bible schools in India, and his agent, are now sporting theological degees.

Talk of european imperialism in the church.

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 24 Feb 2009 5:54:47 PM Close
Dear Inquirer,

I don’t know how the European Imperialism is coming into play here. We are not bound by law to accept money [if this is true]; we are not bound by law that we submit to anyone from Europe; we are not forced to worship in a certain way. Please do not make this a race issue or part of the Imperialistic mentality.

If someone is following another person it must be the person’s prerogative and whatever is attractive to that person must be that driving force. Labeling it as ‘Imperialism or racism’ could be the result of our own misunderstandings and insecurities. I believe we need to start taking responsibilities and leave such accusations on the wayside. No one is imposing anything upon us. We gladly place the yoke upon us. Would you be kind enough to leave the unnecessary racial remarks?

Tom J

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 28 Feb 2009 1:17:40 PM Close
Dear brethren,
In a Bible College where everything is set to be modern, why do people retain their closed mentality?
I dont understand, why people of God should have so less trust on other believers? If they can accept people from foreign culture with their dress and customs, why not accept us? We dont even make slight hints of indecent behavior...if 2 peole talk, or are friends, that creates an issue, I disagree to the act that people should cause rumour, instead of directly asking the concerned people in private?
Does it mean we should think that we girls are the only ones to exist,(we are 5, compared to 30 boys) and no other person exist in the campus? Funny!
Sincerely in Him,
Tinka
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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 16 Mar 2009 12:55:34 PM Close
dear brethren,
i admit now and understandto2 some extent why we should adopt to the culture..and understand at least those people and deal with them from the perspective of their cultural background..thanks for correcting me..
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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 15 Aug 2017 3:10:39 PM Close

This is a very old thread, but I hope some who posted here are still active.

Can anyone give me a scan of the book-cover published by late brother M Brownne?

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 31 Aug 2017 1:08:15 PM Close

Hello,

I presume this should help you:

http://gracepeace.net/br/brown.htm

The owner of this page carefully listed some of his works.

Mind you,

Though this topic is old. One must be careful raising objections and accusations on a brother that is now with the Lord.

I had the pleasure of meeting and attending a lot of his bible studies in India. Incidentally, he was more relaxed and quite pragmatic in his teachings at assemblies/churches that gathered in homes (according to the scriptures – Acts).

I would not say he was narrow minded. But stubborn in his belief. He had reasons. Here is a man who never went to any school or was influenced but learned everything by himself and guided by the spirit.

Yes, there were differences. But he held most of the brothers and sisters in Christ of India in high regard.

I was surprised to see where this discussion started and where it ended. We are irrelevant people having vain arguments most of the time.

Regards,

Joe

 

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