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# 00188 :  Youth Football
Wot is wrong if youths play football...?????Tell me specifically....Unless its not taking u away from ur faith there is no problem...thats what i feel....Now for some .... i meant the one who put up this topic....When there is no work ppl tend to bring up topics....I can only say Brother go n do ur work....let us do ours.,..and in case u r workless...please sit n pray for us...lets not blame one other.
Post by : agent007  View Profile    since : 2 Dec 2007


Reply by : muthu   View Profile   Since : 21 Dec 2007 2:11:34 AM Close
dears
t ws a g8 sucess. v hd lot f encurgment frm brthrn. our yuths r chargd 7 whol assmbly united aftr d matches. our eldrs 2oo r thrilled & v wil hv more n futur.
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Reply by : jesben   View Profile   Since : 25 Jul 2008 5:34:54 AM Close
Doing things which are forbidden to be done by God's commandments is sin.But in the case of things which are not clearly forbidden to be done by the word of God we should consider the age of the person.In our daily life we do not do so many things though they are not sin.It is because of our standard of life.People live in high standards do not do so many deeds that ordinary people usually does.Like that we do not consider the ugly words or deeds done by little kids.But if the same thing done by an young or aged person is shameful.
In spiritual life also there is new born babies,growing children and aged.Each and every child of God is in a growing stage.Some are spiritually new born,some others are kids, youth or aged.God judge each one of us according to our spiritual age.Spiritual youngsters and aged are not allowed to do all the deeds that new born babies and teen agers does.Let us leave all kinds of PLAYS to kids.And let us work hard for the Lord who purchased us with His own blood.Our life is not ours own.We are our Lord's property.We have no right to take our own decisions.Let Him decide our daily programs.Ofcorse He will not allow His own children to waste His precious time.
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 20 Aug 2008 6:17:04 PM Close
Dear Agent007,

There is nothing stopping you from playing football or any sport. As long as this does not become an obstacle in your spiritual life, this is not even an issue to think about.

I'm grown up and not a kid. I still play all sorts of sports and it doesn't come hamper my spiritual life. It helps keep your body fit also.

In Christ,

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Reply by : jesben   View Profile   Since : 25 Aug 2008 2:58:52 AM Close
Dear believer.bible,
This play is not a matter of bodily exercise.If you are playing for body fitness,read 1Tim.4:8."For bodily exercise profiteth little,but godliness is profitable unto all things..." In verse 12 it is written, be an example to the believers,(not to the gentiles).
As the children of Heavenly God,we are not allowed to do all things that doesn't become an obstacle to our spiritual life.Do things that are encouraging and nourishing your spiritual life.
Here youths are arguing for tournaments between assemblies.Are you supporting that?
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 25 Aug 2008 2:19:37 PM Close
Dear Jesben,

Compared to godliness, bodily exercise profits very little. There is no argument in that.

>>As the children of Heavenly God,we are not allowed to do all things that doesn't become an obstacle to our spiritual life.

I did not understand what you are trying to convey here. Can you give an example and some scripture to support what you may be trying to say. Otherwise this is your personal opinion.

>>Do things that are encouraging and nourishing your spiritual life.

Absolutely. But if you are saying that this should stop us from playing games, then I disagree. I was the athletics champion in my school and have participated in sports a lot. There are many times in my life I have thanked God for giving me a sound body and giving me opportunity to enjoy sports and games. It has definitely encouraged my spiritual growth.

>>Here youths are arguing for tournaments between assemblies.Are you supporting that?

Yes I am. I don't understand why you are condemning sports and games that people may play between themselves and even if it is between believers or different assemblies. What is your basis or what scripture will you present to allude to this objection?

If youths want tournaments between assemblies, what is the problem with that?

Or would you prefer that the youths desire for tournaments with non-believers?

In Christ,

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Reply by : jesben   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 3:06:49 AM Close
Sorry dear,we will never get Biblical references for our every deeds.As you were an athletics champion,you say that it was not an obstacle to your spiritual life. A smoker or a drunkard also can say these words-it is not affecting my spiritual life.
The words 'spiritual life' means a life guided by Holy Spirit.Holy Spirit guides us only according to the heavenly standards.It is clearly revealed in the Bible.
Can you give any scriptural reference supporting your arguments?Did local assemblies mentioned in the Bible conduct tournaments for their spiritual growth?Otherwise we are trying to bring world into the church.Spiritual life is not a game.It is really a serious matter.It is a life with God.So please don't waste your precious time with worthless activities.Please don't mix games with spiritual activities.It may not be good for us.
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 11:19:57 AM Close
Dear Jesben,

I am always amazed how believers will make doctrines out of what is not there in the Bible.

>>we will never get Biblical references for our every deeds.

Good you admit this. So kindly do not make legalistic rules & doctrines without scripture.

>>As you were an athletics champion,you say that it was not an obstacle to your spiritual life. A smoker or a drunkard also can say these words-it is not affecting my spiritual life.

Bible has lots to say about drinking and misusing the Body which is the temple of God. There is NO ambiguity here. Bible has already revealed God's will in this matter.

>>The words 'spiritual life' means a life guided by Holy Spirit.Holy Spirit guides us only according to the heavenly standards.It is clearly revealed in the Bible.

True. Bible is the SOLE BASIS.

>>Can you give any scriptural reference supporting your arguments?Did local assemblies mentioned in the Bible conduct tournaments for their spiritual growth?

Faulty Logic. Here is what I mean: Can you show any scriptural reference that allows you to wear "socks" (I am quoting the same example asked by a youth once)?

Please don't use these kinds of arguments. Else you should travel by only foot, chariots or ships as the early church did. Do you see the folly in this kind of logic?

I would instead ask you to show me where sports activities have been FORBIDDEN either directly or indirectly by the word of God.

Otherwise we are trying to bring world into the church.

No we are not. If you travel by car, are you using the "world"?

>>Spiritual life is not a game.It is really a serious matter.It is a life with God.So please don't waste your precious time with worthless activities.

I wonder if you will hold the same standard for other things that you practice in life - going to parks, walking around, working in "worldly" settings, watching TV. No you won't. You wish to make rules where none exists.

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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 11:28:37 AM Close
It seems you are "spiritual" only when it comes to games. I wonder why you are not "spiritual" when it comes to sending your children to school or college for secular studies. Why are you not "spiritual" when you allow kids to play sports with unbelievers?

It's a good thing that youth want to play sports between themselves in the assemblies. They are having fellowship and make friends with believers instead of friends who can lead them astray. I find it surprising that you want to stop this and instead, give them the only option of playing games with unbelievers (which is nothing wrong by the way).

This is a perfect example of legalism that is based on personnel preferance and nothing to do with scripture.

Proverbs 20:29
The glory of young men is their strength:

God has given youngsters energy and strength. Let them use it and enjoy it without bringing dishonour to God.

In Christ,

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Reply by : bobtitus   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 4:09:20 PM Close
I am so shocked to see the comments put up by Bro. Jesben! and I completely agree with what beliver.bible has to say.

Bro. Jesben, at my local assembly we have a family soccer time, where both parents and kids/or Kids alone spend an hour playing soccer or other games.

Wouldn't it be a good time of fellowship for the kids if they spend some quality time with belivers/youths whether it be a game or an outing? Or would you rather prefer them going and playing with unbelievers and start learning all sorts of bad habits, abusive language, slangs which are all part of the game now on the field?

From your point of view- seems like we brethren need a spiritual reference to sent our kids even to Play! - I dont think it is mentioned in the bible and you would agree with me right?

I agree with you that Spirituality comes first, but not involving in social activities like a game, or a picinic which helps in fellowship - I would call it as one of the fundamental aspects of some Cult groups where they completely isolate themselves from the outer world!

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 10:57:20 PM Close
Dear agent 007

There is nothing wrong if young people (even older people also) play foot ball (this I say specific).

(By the way are you acting as an agent for some one else? I say this because you never responded to any of the replies given by other brothers).
Your further statement means that there is a possibility that it will take one away from the faith.

Your exhortation to all the’ workless’ is commendable. However, it is not sensible to say that all who put up topics are ‘workless’.

Dear muthu

Please explain in detail the great success story – “g8 success”.
What were the ‘lot of encouragement’?
Please explain how the ‘youths’ were charged? Please give details.
Amazing? “7 WHOL ASSMBLY UNITED AFTER D MATCHES”!! (If this is the case all disagreements/ disputes among Christians could easily be resolved by conducting foot ball matches!!??).
What or who does it mean by “our elders”. Is it Elders of the Assembly or the older participants in the game?

Dear brothers

I do not personally agree in developing this subject into a 'doctrine'. We read from this thread that brothers differ on this subject and their views are entirely a personal choice.

While the concerns of some regarding the godliness and spirituality aspects are not to be taken so lightly, we should acknowledge that there are numerous things that we do in our daily secular life that are necessary for our sustenance.

However a Christian should never compromise on things that will mar the testimony as a Christian.

Let us be reasonable in evaluating what is good for the children of God and their testimony.
From our childhood we all played and continued to play different games at different levels. I do not see anything wrong in a believer playing a game along with other brothers or even with others who are not believing Christians.

A spiritual man plays the game and 'behaves on the ground' as a spiritual man keeping his testimony.

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 11:03:57 PM Close

But the question probably could be whether Football teams under the banner of assemblies can compete in a tournament under the auspices of the Assemblies or organized by others.

I believe this trend need to be discouraged as it will definitely have an adverse effect on the testimony of the Assemblies. Do such activities of the Assemblies come under the generally accepted practices or activities of churches?

Even some Assemblies arrange ‘annual assembly picnics’ in which a number of sporting events and some activities for entertainment are included. During these outings one may observe some actions among believers that do not display godliness. In fact some are carried away by the fun that causes the “crossing of the barriers”.

Regarding the question of the reference of 1 Tim. 4: 8 “for bodily exercise profiteth little”, its mention is a comparison with the godliness. Certainly godliness has far too great benefits compared to the bodily exercise.
In the Bible there are general references of ‘running the race’ and ‘the physical fitness of soldiers’ and about those who do very hard work in the fields.

We live in a world where more and more people are added daily to the population who feed on ‘junk food’. A general deterioration of health is evident in the world population because of unhealthy eating habits and negligence of ‘occupational health matters’. More and more jobs are created daily forcing people to be sedentary. Also a very large number of ‘nocturnal jobs’ are also created.

Automations and mechanizations have depleted the physical activities of men and women in large numbers in all industries and domestic areas. All these factors lead to deterioration in the general health of people.

More and more people are now dependent on drugs for various ailments caused basically by their inactiveness. Sad to say there are no proper awareness programmes beginning from children onwards for these kinds of unhealthy trends in society.

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2008 11:07:54 PM Close

Doctors along with the medication also give advice to do “physical exercise” and have “a healthy diet” for the maintenance and improvement of the patient’s health.

Therefore ignoring sufficient physical activities on a day to day basis may invite unpleasant health issues and troubles in obtaining medical treatments. A stitch in time (saves nine).

My point of view is that if we spare some time for bodily exercise, whether it be playing a game or some walking, it would save us some troubles and give us a healthier life. The time thus spared may be used for spiritual activities also.

[My sincere apologies if I have overshot the brevity and gone out of topic. I may not contribute further on this topic unless otherwise found to be profitable or necessary].

Having said all the foregoing points, I believe that we need to uphold the scriptural admonition found in 1 Cor. 8 and Rom. 14

1 COR.8: 13 WHEREFORE, IF MEAT MAKE MY BROTHER TO OFFEND, I WILL EAT NO FLESH WHILE THE WORLD STANDETH, LEST I MAKE MY BROTHER TO OFFEND.

God bless us

In Christ Jesus
Mathew

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 27 Aug 2008 12:19:52 PM Close
Dear Readers,

There is a great desire to impose rules of conduct on believers and unbelievers by zealous Christians. They do that with good intentions. It becomes the tradition of certain Christian communities. That tradition become stronger than the Word of God.

Among the Jews, it is known as "The Saying of the Fathers." They told the Lord jesus Christ about "Our fathers said." We know the answer the Lord jesus Christ gave to the Pharisees. It is written in the Gospels.

Those who insist on tradition are making it greater than the Word of God.

In the New Testament, many sports are mentioned, in connection with a Christians life. Please search the scriptures and find them.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : joyboy   View Profile   Since : 5 Dec 2008 6:25:59 PM Close
Kind of like playing musical instruments in the church, huh?
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 8 Dec 2008 1:42:50 PM Close
Dear 'joyboy,'

It is not like playing musical instruments. I did not know that youth football could be played in the Church. Please keep to the subject under consideration.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : joyboy   View Profile   Since : 8 Dec 2008 4:04:30 PM Close
I wsa specifically speaking of "those who insist on tradition are making it greater than the Word of God". The broader subject under consideration is tradition and misinterpretation of scripture.
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Reply by : frenchbeard   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2009 8:56:00 AM Close
My church plays football every weekend.

1.)It's a good fellowship among the believers.
2.) Healthy, and good for the physique.

Mr Jebsen speaks about football being an obstacle in spiritual
life. how does 2 hours of football a week effect spiritual life?
Working 8 hours a day is the biggest obstacle in your spiritual
life right?

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Reply by : paul_thomas   View Profile   Since : 4 Sep 2009 4:08:15 PM Close

 I am not sure if anyone has noticed.. Youth participation on this forum has decreased significantly. Just a health check!

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Reply by : bt73   View Profile   Since : 15 Sep 2009 1:47:26 PM Close

believer.bible,

I like the way you think. 

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Reply by : vinubetty2009   View Profile   Since : 28 Sep 2009 8:11:08 PM Close

Hmm interesting..let see  - Joshua served in the Court of Pharoah---I think tennis is probably a better game than football...

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Reply by : eagle   View Profile   Since : 30 Jul 2010 9:43:07 AM Close

 Good discussion. Unless its mentioned in the Bible explicitly like "Thou shall not play football or any other sport", It should not be taken as a doctrine. Because while doing that, we are slowly talibanizing KB. (Just for info, the Taliban has restrictions on these kinds of stuff notably about music, sports and other things like riding a motor cycle. men aren't allowed to do any of these under their rule)

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