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# 00192 :  Lord's Table a Miss Interpretation
Many brethren people participating Lor'd table according to their wish in the name of "Malayalam Worship " , In U.K ,Ireland and U.S. in saturdays or any other days.It is un biblical practice . Because Lord's Table is an official program of the Local Church . For Eg. If the malayalee brethren people in Englend gathering in Manchester for worship and fellowship , and arrange the Lord's Table . My question is that Which Local church is that ? who are the elders of that church ? Who gave them the authority to do the Lord's Table in saturday? Many belivers thinking one sentence is in Bible "koodi varumpol okkeyum cheyvin ". this setence is not in Bible . Look at Acts 20.7 , "On the first day of the week , when we gatherd to break the bread ............". the grammer is here used in nCustemory present tense giving the idea that strictly dooing on that day. Why we are doing this type of practise, even the good preachers and teachers doing the Lord's table in saturdays, when they visit western countries.
Post by : ajayjameson  View Profile    since : 28 Jan 2008


Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 28 Jan 2008 10:45:32 AM Close
Dear Ajay,

I failed to understand the title for this thread. Are you stating that the Lord's Table is being misinterpreted?

I have heard of some assemblies mainly in Gulf countries who meet on Fridays. I do not know of any assembly in the US or UK who break bread on Saturdays. In Gulf countries, Sunday is a normal working day yet; many assemblies still meet on Sunday night. Maybe those who are in the gulf can share on this topic.

Please read 1 Corinthians 11 which talks about the Institution of the Lord’s Supper. “For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes” – 1 Corin 11: 26

It is definitely a good practice to break bread on Sundays. However, I would encourage you to not be too dogmatic and criticize. Instead, please take some time to find out why some meet on a different day in the first place!

God Bless!

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Reply by : muthu   View Profile   Since : 30 Jan 2008 5:08:23 AM Close
Ajay,
Sorry to say, somehow you are not communicating properly. We cant understand much from what you write. Even your 'Elumination' topic too was little confusing. Please take care when you try to write something so that people will understand you right.
God Bless You.
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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 6 Feb 2008 9:15:24 AM Close
Dear Muthu
I feel that his postings are deliberately compiled to be confusing (see both threads Elumination and Lord’s Table…..). His transliteration of Malayalam to English is perfect. Some sentences are ‘well’ constructed too. He uses both practice and practise in his writing. These are only some examples. He knows “grammEr” too – “CustomOry present tense” . Please read carefully his postings, perhaps you may also have concurrence with my views.
If my view is wrong, I sincerely apologize to Ajay with a request to make an effort to improve on his writings so that the readers can understand it better. May our good Lord help you to do so.
In Christian love
Mathew
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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2008 3:43:27 AM Close
I thought the the very word Lord’s Table means the content of the table- that’s all that goes with salvation. I think I read that in William MacDonald’s writing.
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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2008 11:40:44 AM Close
Hellow brother , my doubt is that is it lawful the Lord's Table is in the unautherised congregation out of Lord's day.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2008 7:41:08 AM Close
Dear 'ajayjameson,'

Will you be kind enough to explain, what is "the unautherised congregation," and also, "out of Lord's day?"

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 18 Feb 2008 3:18:46 AM Close
Autherised congregation : In the auspices of elders and decons gathering for a special purpose, for breaking bread and hearing sermon mainly in sundays. Or the meetings of the 'Local church' in otherdays for Bible study and prayer.
Or the regional prayer group or Bible class of a Local church.

Un autherised Congregation : Some malyalee brethren people from different brethren churches in Kerala living in different parts of a country like Britain or U.S , gatherd together in one saturday ,and worshipping
and 'breaking the bread of the Lord '(they think like that )as it in a church.

My question is that which church gatherd there ? Who are the elders of that church ? Is there any model in Bible ?

In shorter sence can I do the Lord's Table with my wife and children in our home every day ?

Terrible fact is another think, this members of un autherised congregation (members of the church of their particular area and members of different brethren church in kerala), most of them are not going to the next day's meeting of English Brethren Church. Many of the saints of this unautherised congregatio are saying 'we had gone already yesterdays malayalam worship'. Dear brother , you may please do the exhortation in your Church 'importance of the worship and breaking bread inside the church.

God bless ,
In Christ Ajayjameson.

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2008 12:23:19 AM Close
If I understood Ajay correctly, the question is

(1) Can 'Breaking of the Bread' can be done other than in a local church?
There are people who gathers together and do the 'Breaking of the Bread' in a non-local church environment Viz
(a) As Ajay said in some foreign lands, even if a local assembly which follows language of that country exists, malayali brethren gather together in a non-formal manner (without the designation of a local church)like sunday evenings and break bread.
(b) In some youth camps in India, since the camp runs on sunday too, they break the bread on sunday at the camp site.
(c) In Palestine/Jerusalem Tourism (much hyped these days in Kerala, many believers are visiting Israel), believers who travel together break bread on sundays at historic sites like Galilee, Gathsamane, Bethlehem, Calvary etc. They do it with much emotion.

Is breaking the bread outside church environement correct?

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Reply by : josbr   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2008 3:09:02 AM Close
Where should we worship the Lord? Is the place of worship so important now?
The lord has revealed his mind in the following versus, from the Gospel of John chapter 4.

"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." John 4:19-24

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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2008 6:11:36 AM Close
According to new testament pattern Breaking of Bread out side the church is wrong and dangerous. Because it is the official program of the Local Church.Look at Acts 20.7 Paul and team in an important journey , they donnt have to vaste any day , but they wait for until the first day of week gatherd together to break bread.
The churches in Muslim countries it is an exceptional situation.
Malayalee brothers in west they are already members of the church in that particular area. Whenever this people gathering in saturday for breaking bread ,in my belief most of them are not attending the Breaking bread program of sunday in their present Local Church.

Some alternate church programs are going on in our midst ,the conferences including sunday (some youth camps).Why dont we arrange this type of camps are with the concern of that area's particular church.
Best policy is that church should do the camps.Anyway the co-ordinators of the camp can ask the officials of that particular area's church add as their progrm of that particular sunday.

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 19 Feb 2008 3:05:44 PM Close
Dear "ajayjameson2,

May I respectfully enquire what you mean when you refer to "Breaking of Bread outside the church"?

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 27 Feb 2008 5:04:02 AM Close
Can we celibrate Lord's Table in beliver's Bible class ?
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 27 Feb 2008 2:31:07 PM Close
Yes. Why not?
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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 4 Mar 2008 11:54:46 AM Close
What is our conclusion about this topic , Where shall we celibrate Lord's Table ?
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 4 Mar 2008 3:19:12 PM Close
Conclusion is that celebrating the Lord's table is not restricted to only a Sunday worship meeting with under the local assembly.
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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 5 Mar 2008 7:24:04 AM Close
Please say from Bible.
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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 6 Mar 2008 1:57:10 PM Close
There is nothing to say from the Bible as the Bible is silent on this matter.

The Bible does not give any instruction to not celebrate the Lord's table other than sunday. If someone makes a rule that we cannot celebrate the Lord's table on a day other than sunday, then they have to point out the chapter number and verse that instructs believers to follow this practice or how they inferred it.

There must be some reason why the Holy Spirit choose to remain silent on this matter.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 7 Mar 2008 9:17:22 AM Close
Dear 'believer.bible,'

Are you saying that we could change the clearly stated tradition (Acts 20; 1 Corinthians 11-16), observed and followed by the Apostles could be changed by any one?

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : fellowchristian   View Profile   Since : 7 Mar 2008 10:13:08 AM Close
Acts 2:46 & 47
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Can I join one such gathering in a house and break bread with the saits gathered there?
Fellowchristian

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Reply by : ajayjameson   View Profile   Since : 7 Mar 2008 11:33:12 AM Close
Hello Fellow Christian, Thanks for your responds.Acts 2.46-47 is the explanation of the programs in the Jerussalem Church , the strength of the Jerussalem Church on that time more than 5000 members .They were breaking bread in homes containing 50 or 60 members according to the regions of Jerussalem city. But they gatherd together the church more than 5000 in the temple for worship and hearing sermon of appostles in every Lord's day . The house to house breaking bread was the program of church at Jerussalem , because it was a very big congregation.
I think we are missing one more program according to these verses Acts 2.46-47 and I Cori 11 .17-21, that is the fellowship meal. It was also the practices in first century church.Scholors telling the breaking of the bred was not a dry program as this days . it was a fine nurished meal.

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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 7 Mar 2008 12:27:04 PM Close
Dear George

What I intend to say is that we cannot condemn a gathering of saints who breaks bread on other days along with or except on Sundays because the Bible is silent on the matter (that is the Lord's table must be celebrated on Sunday only).

Many assemblies in the gulf have "changed" the stated tradition (Acts 20; 1 Corinthians 11-16), observed and followed by the Apostles. Will we condemn them? It won't be safe to say that that is an exception since there is no exception to anything when it comes to doing sin. Also don't forget the "traditions" which are not convenient for us: Acts 2:44-45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Personally I will break bread every Sunday and I am open to breaking bread on other days also. But I will not condemn anyone who partakes of the table on other days. If he asks me to quote the instruction from the Bible, I will be speechless not able to show a verse that instructs "to keep" the practice. But I will have a question in my mind that if circumstances are fine with breaking of bread on sunday, why they do not do it on a sunday itself. But I am not in a position to judge and condemn.

There are a few apostolic instructions or practices which I can think of which we do not follow (eg: James 5:14 - Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord) but these can only be understood if we rightly divide the word.

Dear Ajay

You said "But they gatherd together the church more than 5000 in the temple for worship and hearing sermon of appostles in every Lord's day . "

The Lord's day which you maybe referring to Sunday is not mentioned in the passage. It could also mean that they daily were in the temple and broke bread in the house daily also (continued daily...breaking bread from house to house). This is just another interpretation to the passage

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