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# 00196 :  Professional Career
When i completed my studies and got hold of a small time job, i was able to give a lot of time to spiritual activities but after i started growing professionally , which i infer was a Blessing from God, i had to give more and more time to my profession because of its nature ( i am in sales). Now i hold a responsible designation in an MNC, but my profession is eating away majority of TIME.
My question is HOW DO WE BALANCE BETWEEN SUCH A PROFESSION AND OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE...?
Post by : daniel3  View Profile    since : 1 Apr 2008


Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 1 Apr 2008 12:04:18 PM Close
Dear "daniel3",

Your question is a very good one. I am now 66 years old. I received Christ when I was 8 years old. I am a father of three and a grandfather of five. I am still working very hard, although not through personal choice.

Can you believe this? Your concern is also mine! I agonise about it almost every day. All I can say to you in counsel is to take every opportunity to speak to God in every circumstance of life, carry with you His Word and refer to it as often as you can and finally, seek to strengthen your own personal communion with the Lord Jesus Christ by relying on the Holy Spirit whose self-appointed task it is to point you to Christ and show His glory to you.

May God bless you abundantly and reward your desire for His things.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2008 12:22:33 AM Close
Dear Br.John Miller in Christ,

Thank you dear brother for the blessed testimony , the age you are in is almost the age of my Dad, but the zeal you have in spiritual activities, we are blessed with, especially through this forums. Praise God for that.

Dear "daniel3" in Christ


There is a saying , "where there is a will, there is way" brother this world is not a better place to live in , but until our Lords second coming we have to act as different characters at respective places for our livelihood. But dear brother let me say if there is a true zeal for spiritual activities in our heart, it will be respected.This day while I am writing this lines I have tendered my resignation only due to reason, that I am transferred to a far off place , where I can no more be in fellowship with the believers and spiritual activities. There were times I was staying 110km far from the assembly and I used to drive one and half hours to reach the assembly for worship and weekly meetings and I made it sure I missed no spiritual activities, later my zeal was respected and I was transferred to a place near the assemly which is also 40km far from the fellowship place, and now again a transfer to a place 300km+ is difficult without worshipping and without any spirutal activites.Why need a Job like that.


God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in times of trouble: Psalms 46-1


Yours in Christ
Samuel.V.J

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2008 2:56:32 AM Close
Dear Bro. Samuel,

I pray that God will give you a job, where you can have fellowship, with the saints, as your wish.

I am not questioning your decision, the same time you can think differently the situation.

True discipleship is a difficult task, without Holy Spirit encouragement and Grace of God one cannot be a true disciple. David Livingstone went to Africa in 1840 and shared the Love of God and lot of the people become true Christians.

Different thinking is “when you transferred to a place 300 kms. away from the assembly fellowship, if you choose to accept that you and your family start to pray with other believers, in order to start a testimony there, so that God will help to start a fellowship there. As you have a professional job you may not be able to work more time to share the Gospel, you can call some evangelist to that place to start work so that a fellowship can be start in that remote area.

This is my humble thinking and the situation is evaluated with all aspects.

Yours in Christ.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2008 8:23:57 AM Close
Dear brethren in Christ,

I will sure oblige br.Samkutty counsel, but the place I am working now is a mid eastern country, where the said proposal is a dificult.


And a matter of praise as I wrote in the morning , where there is a will, there is a way, Our Almighty God honours our deeds and thoughts if it is for the right purpose. I have been posted to a new place where I can be in fellowship with the saints and spiritual activities. Praise God for all the great things he has been doing for us.


Yours in Christ
Samuel

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Reply by : mathai   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2008 10:27:44 PM Close
My child is going 12th standard schooling this year. She is intelligent and got 95% marks in the 10th School Board. She has great aspiration to try for IIT admission.
There are good IIT-JEE coaching institutes in the city. They admit children (for coaching) through a rigorous admission test & interview.
My child appeared for two famous coaching institutes. She passed in the tests and interviews at both places. When i went with my child for admission counselling - to my surprise -their main coaching is on Sunday - 9AM to 5PM.
They have few classes on week days too after the school in addition to sunday class. I requested the institutes to allow her to attend week day classes and sunday afternoon and exempt her from sunday FN at our own risk. Both Institutes were not ready, and they scolded me saying you are spoiling your child's future. If you cant allow your child to attend classes on sundays during this critical time of her career, you are not a caring father.
My child was upset, she being small, is not that matured. All her smart friends attend these classes. Even her school teachers had asked me to send her for this coaching, she being a bright student.
I went home, i sat with my daughter & wife. I said we cannot afford to loose her worship/sunday school for one uear for the sake of IIT coaching. God is all sufficient for us. Seek ye First The Kingdom of God. We all together prayed and decided not to attend these coachings. And my daughter too agreed.

One year down if the Lord tarries - I will testimony on this forum What God is keeping in store for her. She is continuing her 12th standard this year. Please pray for her too.

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Reply by : keralabrethren1   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2008 12:40:29 AM Close
I am thrilled on hearing the testimonies of Br. Samuel and Br. Mathai. God will take care of those who trust in Him. I am praying for Br. Mathai and his daughter.

Let me share a testimony: I know a person, now 40+, who was excellent in studies. Upon completion of his graduation with distinction everybody including his teachers asked him to try for Civil service exams (IAS), but only because of the reason, it is being held on Sundays, he refused to appear for the exams. Similar was the case with other top recruitment exams. Some of his friends were telling that he was a fool. But the Lord has given him due reward for his insight. He is well off now, not only in material matters but is doing much for the Glory of God too.

What I wanted to say is if we trust God whole heartedly and fully based on the insight he has given us, he will reward us in this world itself.

Please remember Acts 26:19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision" - that is what God expects from us.

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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2008 9:32:23 AM Close
I want to share my testimony also to encourage one another that God will honour our decisions when we honour Him in our lives.

I was intially finding it hard to get a job and attempted for many companies. I had great marks in college. Whenever any company called I was good at writing their exams and doing interviews but somehow the last minute I used to get cancelled out. I submitted my resume to one of the world's largest multinational companies and after many months, they shortlisted me to write their exam. I was very much encouraged but sorely disappointed that they held this on a sunday. I was very keen to write this exam since the company was one of the best.

My house owner who I was staying with, who is also a strong believer of pentecostal background told me that it's just one sunday and God is giving you an oppertunity to not miss. There is nothing to loose with one sunday and sometimes we have to make sacrifices in life like this one. I told her politely that I cannot do this even if it means I will remain unemployed.

I now thank God that He gave me the wisdom and grace to take such a decision because I got a very good job, maybe not in a similar large company, but it was excellent for my subsequent secular career. I have many examples from my own life where giving God showed His wisdom and control when I was able to submit to Him. I also have examples where I failed to honor God and lived to face the consequences.

1 Samuel 2:30

....For them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

Let us not despise the things of our master over the things of this world. God may prosper us in many things but let that not be a cause to loose our vision and calling and turn it against His purpose.

God who takes care of the sparrows has promised that He will take care of our food and clothing. He will also give us the grace to go through all circumstances in life if we are ready to surrender to His leading.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2008 9:47:58 AM Close
Dear 'daniel3,'

When I was in college, I thought about going to USSR to study Astronomy. When I realized that I have to surrender my freedom in the Lord, I cast away that thought. When I graduated, my father wanted me to go to Middle East. When I realized the freedom from the Lord is to be restricted, I refused. When I came to USA and was working, my boss asked me to stay late and work, because I was the only one who used to go home on time and finished the work before time. I told him that my family expect me to have dinner together. I also invited my superiors that they should attend certain gospel preachings. I refused to approve over-time work to my subordinates and told them to spent that time with their families. Those who became mad for not getting over-time work, spoke about how that helped their family life, later.

Since your ID is 'daniel3,' may I ask you to read the Book of Daniel. You should find the answer to your question there. There is an expression in that book, "There is a man in your kingdom in whom is the spirit of the holy gods..."

My question to you, do your co-workers know of you to say, what was said in the Book of Daniel? When they do, you have balanced your professional life with your spiritual life.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : gys   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2008 7:28:21 PM Close
Dear 'daniel3',

I am rather surprised to read the testimonies presented. While I appreciate the testimonies and the decisions taken by individuals, I think your question is a real challenge!

Can a Christian, who is in the Army refuse to fight for the country if he is asked to do so, on Sunday? Can a scientist, who is NASA refuse to perform an important decision on Sunday. Can a Computer genius, who is asked to fix a problem refuse to do that on Sunday at the cost of huge loss for the company? Can a nurse on shifts refuse to work on Sunday?

I do not think we should be one sided in thinking on the issue you raised in your question.

The question we need to ask ourselves is, who gave the new opportunity to work on Sunday? Who gave the opportunity to be selected for a good profession? Who allows labor pain to Christian woman on Sunday? If we refuse to do work on Sunday, is it equivalent to disobedience to God, or is it equivalent to dishonoring the Lord?

Actually, your question was not about the inability to worship on Sunday. Even if it is a question about that problem, I think you should not take such hasty decision as to resign a job, or refuse to take an important examination on Sunday, or absent from work on Sunday. Try to find an alternative. There may be Church which has evening service. You may be able to worship God in a different way than attending Sunday Morning service in a particualar denominational Church.

Let me quote few verses to show that Jesus approved doing good on Sabbath.

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. (Matthew 12:1)

And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? (Matthew 12:11)

According to a survey no one is working more to say he/she is very busy; may be he/she does not know how to work, or he is doing his/her personal work !

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 10 Apr 2008 10:23:56 AM Close
Dear "gys",
Some of the questions you put forward have a very simple answer which every individual needs to examine..
"what is your priority in and with your life?"

It has nothing to do with refusal to do a job, but everything to do with the priority you give your job.
Bro.Koshy made a very good illustration of what I am trying to say.
It is a testimony to others in your work place, your colleagues/your boss to let them know what you priortize in life.It takes courage & faith in our Lord to do that.
Your job is just a means God uses to provide you your daily "needs"....you choose to make it a career to provide yourself all your "wants". When there is this subtle but considerable shift, one finds themselves asking these very questions.

Your qoute of the verses in the Bible had more to do with Jesus' views on the legalistic way the Pharisees observed the sabbath....to observe it no matter what!!! Both the instances you put forward were extreme conditions..."hunger" and helping a being who was in "personal risk". I do not see how it applies to say....

"Can a nurse on shifts refuse to work on Sunday?"

Yes! she/he can choose to do so...to give worshipping & praying to God more priority over that job.
Now if this individual is taking that shift to help out a fellow colleague in an emergency situation, then it is not a question of priority but a whole different ball game. I do believe this is what Jesus was talking about.
This was also the illustration that Bro. Mathai tried to point out...priority!!! It was not just about a Sunday, but a bigger picture of illustrating who do we seek first. At the end of the day, your title at work, your degree won't hold up in God's eyes, but rather how much time and effort you put into being Christ-like, building an intimate relationship with God, spending time with His word and in prayer, your submission of your entire will, self-relaince, self-worth etc. at God's feet, to live for the glory of God!!! That is what counts.

This was just my 2 cents....

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Reply by : gys   View Profile   Since : 10 Apr 2008 11:45:59 PM Close
Quote...

"Some of the questions you put forward have a very simple answer which every individual needs to examine..

"what is your priority in and with your life?"

It has nothing to do with refusal to do a job, but everything to do with the priority you give your job. >>

Who wrote about priority here?

<< When there is this subtle but considerable shift, one finds themselves asking these very questions. >>

What is that?

<<"Can a nurse on shifts refuse to work on Sunday?">>

Why was only one question picked up?

Read clearly what I wrote..

"Can a Christian, who is in the Army refuse to fight for the country if he is asked to do so, on Sunday? Can a scientist, who is NASA refuse to perform an important decision on Sunday. Can a Computer genius, who is asked to fix a problem refuse to do that on Sunday at the cost of huge loss for the company? Can a nurse on shifts refuse to work on Sunday?

I do not think we should be one sided in thinking on the issue you raised in your question."

"The question we need to ask ourselves is, who gave the new opportunity to work on Sunday? Who gave the opportunity to be selected for a good profession? Who allows labor pain to Christian woman on Sunday? If we refuse to do work on Sunday, is it equivalent to disobedience to God, or is it equivalent to dishonoring the Lord? "

"Actually, your question was not about the inability to worship on Sunday. Even if it is a question about that problem, I think you should not take such hasty decision as to resign a job, or refuse to take an important examination on Sunday, or absent from work on Sunday. Try to find an alternative. There may be Church which has evening service. You may be able to worship God in a different way than attending Sunday Morning service in a particualar denominational Church."

If you have any more teaching or think that breaking the bread on Sunday only is worship, write to the initiator of the topic.

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 11 Apr 2008 7:53:25 AM Close
You and I have different perspectives, dear sir, and are obviuosly on very different wavelengths.
I just brought another thought for the initiator to ponder upon too.
I do believe we need to examine things from different points of view...it was not about teaching anyone. Please, do not misintepret and make judgements based on it.
I did understand your point just as I understood what the others were trying to say. I just used one profession in your questions because in my mind I could connect it better to the point I was making that is all.....


Dear readers & Bro.Daniel3,
If I have offended you by my thoughts or my thought came across as something else, I really do apologize. That was never my intention.I wasn't trying to teach anyone, just giving my point of view....

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Reply by : gys   View Profile   Since : 11 Apr 2008 9:21:35 AM Close
If you have understood my writing clearly you would not have made such shallow and unwanted remarks such as these...

"what is your priority in and with your life?"

Did I write anywhere about priority?

What was your intention in making this accusation?

"When there is this subtle but considerable shift, one finds themselves asking these very questions. >>

Who you were trying to accuse?

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Reply by : daniel3   View Profile   Since : 18 Apr 2008 7:31:32 AM Close
Praise God!
The topic initiated was 'how to balance professional career and spiritual life'...but it is so pleasing that so many other topics surrounding and spiralling the same have also is being discussed in length.
But let us not take any words of any author as a personal assualt nor let us aim to hurt anyone with our words.
Many blessed testimonies have been shared by various believers.
I have personally seen miraculous incidents, as depicted in certain thread mails earlier, pertaining to individual growth when priority has been given to God.
But when it comes down to me , maybe its because of some psychological barrier, that i am very sensitive about my job, career and other related matters. I always have the feeling that what if due to my non-presence on required occassions i would not be made eligible for promotions and worse what if they decide to fire me out???!!! i am very sure this is the work of Satan within me and it is due to my weak spiritual nature. But genuinely i have always wanted to be a more pious and spiritual young man......alas i seem to be going farther and farther away.....

Pl pray for hundreds of youth like me...

Daniel

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 18 Apr 2008 8:32:34 PM Close
Dear Bro.Daniel,
I am so glad to see your post after your question.
Once again I apologize, if my thoughts caused you pain.
My dear brother, I too was in a similar predicament as yours.
From my own experiences, many decisions/choices I made in my life was based on the way I was brought up. There was a subtle nudge towards building a self-confident, educated, successful person more. So many traits are ignored and stamped out of young hearts as being undesirable and more aggressive traits are added.
But do you know something I have been learning is to listen to the Holy spirit, just listen. His job is to lead you towards being Christ-like.

Spending more time, not just reading but actually learning/studying the word of God is a very important part. Then "hiding His word in your heart" and living/abiding by what the scripture reveals to you personally. Thus, more time you spend getting to know God through His word, the more your attitudes start changing. He will continously mould you and make you according to His will...just be yielding and pliant. He constantly encourages you in ways that are truly miraculous when ever doubts creep up!!

Just spend more time with our Lord, He will teach you to trust and obey day by day. Let Him reveal His pllan for you.He will make everything clear and easy.
I speak from my own experience, of how much the Lord has changed me and my priorities. That is what I was trying to convey in my earlier posts too.
But I have such a long, long way to go. He is always there to encourage, always there to correct certain choices (some of them have taken couple of years to change but He did it).
I always think, if someone like me can be changed by the work of the Holy spirit in my life, anyone can !! And He had quite a work with all my psychological barriers (and I had quite some doozy's).
You have taken a first step in the realization of your need, now just pray and commit it to God, and let Him use your life to bring glory to His name.

A fellow sister in Christ....

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Reply by : daniel3   View Profile   Since : 18 Apr 2008 9:52:01 PM Close
Dear mom23,
it is only due to considerate bretheren like you that weaklings like us get the urge and motivation to move on !!
Many times i feel that i am not made for the professional environment that i am in...all deceit and unethical transactions around....
Pl pray that i may get the strength and spiritual insight to take a strong and staunch decision...

Regards

Daniel

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