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# 01974 :  Believe it or not

 

Dear brethren in Christ,

I would like to share a first hand experience which happened yesterday evening around 9.00clock local time. As usual we couple of brothers go for outreach work in some specified areas, we separate ourselves to different room when we reach that place through our contacts and we spend time with the unbelievers sharing their day to day problems and  then we start sharing the word of God and through this way of personal evangelism many have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Note : Majority are non keralites  and of other Indian languages

As usual we went yesterday , me another brother of ours and new believer from the same place  went to a room where three person were available but two were sleeping , we had to speak with a person who has a pre history of satanic effects on (fridays) { colleagues with him says that their god comes to him and it is that god which controls him during that time}

We knew about the history before hand and we started the word of God from Mark ch:5 verses 1 onwards(Jesus heals the demon possessed man), and we made him read the verses in his own language , he was very patient for around 45 minutes listening the word of God and Gospel  , we could see a happy face and he was agreeing to whatever we were saying but we could see him uneasy towards the end,  then we said we will pray, he also stood with us for prayer, but at the half way of the prayer the person got completely changed , his face had a different look, he raised his hand straight locked and coming towards us to hit but couldnt come towards us, we stood in our same place , we could see something was obstructing him from coming  towards us, his head started shaking violently this all is happening just a metre apart in front of us , In the mean time i tried to hold his hand, he was so tough and so strong I could not hold him, we started continuing praying asking God to intervene to remove the satanic effect, as a matter of fact I was bit panic, might be I am of a lesser faith. But we started praying , in some minutes the acts of evil subsided in the person came back to normal state, we called his name he responded , we made him sleep , and we departed.

With this incident  we could experience three things in our life yesterday.

1- There is still demon possessed people existing , which I believed till yesterday that  it is not during this period we live.

2- No satan/ evil can touch God's children. Satan can make us scared , but he too is afraid of God's children

3- Satan doesn't like Gospel to be shared many of his selected  people.

Brethren,please do pray for the soul which has heard the Gospel and all the satanic effects in the person may completely be wiped out and he may become a God's child in our next visit.

Any one has this type of experiences please share.

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

Post by : samuel.v.j  View Profile    since : 22 Dec 2009


Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 22 Dec 2009 6:23:04 AM Close

Many don't believe that demon possessions as mentioned in the Gospels and Acts still exists. Experience makes them understand the reality. PRAISE GOD.

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 22 Dec 2009 8:52:10 PM Close

Dear Bro Samuel,

Thank you for sharing the testimony. My prayers are with you as you minster to the needy. We need to be mindful that Satan is the prince of this world now, yet God's supreme power has him under check especially when such attacks are unleashed against God's own. You may have experienced that as you have encountered this man.

Tom Johns _ MI

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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 3 Jan 2010 5:35:24 AM Close

Dear Br,

When confronting with situations like this, we have the authority over Demon Possesed man to command the Demons to leave the person.

Saji

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 3 Jan 2010 10:27:02 AM Close

Dear Br.Saji in Christ,

Well I am not Apostle or any disciple of Christ  to rebuke a demon and send it out from him, but we continously prayed to our Savior, that we have come in your name to deliver the Gospel and we request you to remove the demonic acts from the person, and the prayer was answered , in a couple of minutes he became a normal person, and usually on fridays he is effected by the demons(thier so called god)and he himself doesnt know what he does , but from that day two fridays have passed on , no such effect has occured, and last monday and tuesday i had visited the particular person, he patiently heard the word of God and showed no change in the facial expression.  We prayed and departed, our continous visit will surely find a reward one day, and through his change many from that place may know the Truth.

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 3 Jan 2010 12:48:54 PM Close

Dear Br.

Thanks for the update and praise God for the relief to the demon possessed person. I am not trying to criticize you but from my experience I don't think we need to go back to the first century era become his disciples or Apostle to do it. Every believer has got the same authority to command over the demons as far as I understand from the Word of God.

A solid understanding of spiritual authority is vital to build your faith when dealing with demon possessed persons, and exercising your authority over the powers of darkness. When we have been given authority to cast out demons, but instead we pray that God brings the demon out instead, we are basically asking God to do something that He gave US the tools to do ourselves. I am not elaborating on this subject since we have had discussions earlier on similar subjects.

Saji

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 4 Jan 2010 3:29:19 AM Close

Dear br.Saji in Christ,

This is a passage from the scriptures.

The Healing of a Boy With a Demon

 14When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15"Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him."  17"O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me." 18Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.  19Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"  20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."[a]

Brother to tell you the fact, I don't have that much faith as mentioned in the scriptures as I a mortal human being, here in the above passage  the disciples while Jesus Christ was in this world couldnt do an act  of healing the demon possesed child. And when we read in Acts ch: 3 after Jesus Christ ascension the same disciples In the name of Jesus Christ they have healed a crippled beggar, they have nothing of thier own, everything is through Christ Jesus, we cant command or rebuke anyone on our own, it is by faith in our Savior Lord Jesus and it is through him and him only we can achieve anything, as no man born in this world is perfect except our Savior , we all have our shortcomings, usually the glory is switched on from God to persons when this types of acts is done and later the name and fame is converted into a business, and there are many healers in the Christian world, but all those who heal when they get a flu or illness, they run to hospital for medicines &  thier children are doctors or medical professionals.

As you said by faith in Lord Jesus Christ we can do many things, but not by ourselves by switching the greatness of our Savior to ourselves.

Yours in Christ

Sam

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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 6 Jan 2010 3:21:33 AM Close

Dear Br.,

The incident referred by you is mentioned in 3 Gospels Mathew, Mark & Luke. If we connect the details of the three Gospels, we can understand the following matters:

  1. Jesus had already given these disciples verbally power and authority over all demon. (Lk. 9:1, Mat 10:1)
  2. These disciples had also already used this power and authority successfully, making them more accountable than others (Lk 9:10, Lk. 12:48).
  3. Jesus was disappointed that His disciples had not been able to cast this devil out. Hence Jesus said "O unbelieving and perverse generation".
  4. Jesus was reacting sharply on the disciples for their unbelief and not polishing their mistake.

This incident, before Jesus Crucifixion was based on the authority given only to these disciples as a special case.

But as a believer in Jesus with the help of Holy Spirit, we have authority over all demonic forces. We read in Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:20-22, Philippians 2:9-11, Heb 2:15 we can see that all authority is under His name.  Every demons and angels are subject to the Imperial Name of Jesus and, wonder of wonders; He gave us the Power of Attorney to use that Name of Might. All our Authority is based on His Finished Work, but it is all enwrapped in His name.

When we study Ephesians 1: 22-23, 3:10, Colossians 1: 13, 2:12-15, Mark 16:17-20, Ephesians 2:2, we are delivered from kingdom of darkness, Christ as head of the Church and through his name we have authority. The expressions "in Christ," "in Whom," and "in Him" occur more than 130 times in the New Testament and anyone who study these verses can understand his authority and position through Christ. An open study of the books of Acts depicts the same authority used by first century Church.

Let me conclude that, from my experience, if we truly with an open mind go out, God will show you many things which you/we believed not existed, for the glory and enhancement of Christ's kingdom.

Saji

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 11 Jan 2010 5:13:48 AM Close

Dear brethren in Christ,

This post is not an update of the above thread, but today I write this lines with great fear and tears in my eyes. The same place where the above incident took place , after the visit last week in that room while we were walking back to our vehicle we happened to see a person whom we had shared Gospel before , with that person,  two other persons of thier language was there, they seem to be  very much happy and had a treat ( had liqour) as they were going for vacation that night to thier homeland and familiesand as they were boozed we didnt share the Gospel , but we just had a word of salutation and departed, but it is bieng heard today morning that both of them had met with an accident while reaching  thier homeplace and lost thier lives.

We were late in sharing the Gospel to that two souls and the responsibilty is surely upon me and my brethren. I am responsible for that soul. Why I write this lines, just to say that let us not waste our opputunites in sharing the Gospel or we will be responsible for the various souls perishing around us.

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

 

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 12 Jan 2010 1:00:56 AM Close

Dear Bro Samuel,

It is true that we need to share the gospel as the opportunity presents. At the same time, we should not be overly burdened about the souls that are seemingly lost. They are totally out of our control. By our [human] effort we cannot bring not even one soul to Christ. Let me comfort you with the verse from Matt 6:39 - "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."

We are asked to share the gospel [spread the word or sow the seed] and everything pertaining to a person's salvation rest in the mighty hands of God.  "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him," Matt 6:44 The converse of that verse is that all who had been drawn by the Father would most certainly would come to His Son and be saved.  

God will bless your sincere heart  and your effort. Yet we have to rest in the eternal truth that God alone is able to bring anyone to salvation and His ultimate provision for each individual.

May God give you comfort as you meditate upon these verses and trusting fully in the sovereignty of God in matters of individual's salvation.

Tom Johns _ MI

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 12 Jan 2010 3:14:49 AM Close

Dear Br.Tom in Christ,

Thanks for your timely advices and instructions in this regard. I will oblige  by the verses you have quoted. I had just written by feelings when I had heard the news, we could have shared the Gospel, but circumstances didnt, as you said, the sowing is our Job, might be it will land up in good soil, rock or thorns.

In Christian love

Sam

 

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 12 Jan 2010 4:29:04 AM Close

While standing before the Lord at the threshold of Eternity, where our earthly life as believers is reviewed, would we be holding all the souls that were saved by listening to the Gospel given by us?

Who takes credit for the souls saved? Does any believer have the wherewithal to take the blame for the unbelief and resultant non-salvation and ultimate condemnation of any unbeliever?

 

What role is assigned to men (believers) by the Lord in the matter of salvation, progress and life of unbelievers / believers? Are we servants or saviors? It is prudent to check “who is on the Throne” at least once in a while.  

 

Of course, I don’t mean to water down our disobedience and negligence. However, none can be more loving, caring and concerned than the ONE “who SO LOVED the World”, whose Love is unfathomable, the dimensions of whose love are incomprehensible.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 12 Jan 2010 7:21:25 AM Close
Dear Br.Thomas Varghese in Christ,
 
"While standing before the Lord at the threshold of Eternity, where our earthly life as believers is reviewed, would we be holding all the souls that were saved by listening to the Gospel given by us?Who takes credit for the souls saved? Does any believer have the wherewithal to take the blame for the unbelief and resultant non-salvation and ultimate condemnation of any unbeliever?What role is assigned to men (believers) by the Lord in the matter of salvation, progress and life of unbelievers / believers? Are we servants or saviors? It is prudent to check “who is on the Throne” at least once in a while.  "
 
 
My Responsibility & necessity
 
Mathew 28  :  19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
1 Corinthians 3
5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?  6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.  7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.  8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.  9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
 
1 Corinthians 916For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!  17For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.  18What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
 
 
Everyone has thier own views , but as per my view it is the responsibilty of each disciple(born again believer) of Christ to follow the command instructed by our Savior.
 
Yours in Christ
 
Sam
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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 13 Jan 2010 7:04:46 AM Close

For me, the Lord is the Savior. Saving is His prerogative. Whom to save, when and where are all within His authority. Whom to send where and when are also the Lord’s decision. The LORD has been working and continues to work; He allows His children to work for Him and with Him and they gladly do whatever the Father asks them. They make themselves available unto the Lord always, and the Lord bids them do what He wills. It is a family affair of a loving Father and his obedient children.

None ever had the occasion to introduce an unbeliever to the Lord; who the Lord never knew or intended to save, with a recommendation to save him. None felt sympathy towards a sinner more than the Lord; none is saddened over the loss of a sinner than the Lord. There is no scope for self appointed workmen in the Kingdom of God. Church of the Living God is not an unorganized, unregulated, uncontrolled affair.

 

As days go by, God’s people are trained by the Lord so that they become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. God’s children living in lively relation with the Lord, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, will properly do their work whether it be preaching to the outsiders or feeding the insiders. They will know where their appointment is; and will joyfully do their job for building up the Body of Christ. They do their duty - not from misunderstanding or faulty notions or wrong intentions or vengeance.

 

Paul knew his commission; what he was supposed to do and what the Lord wanted him to do. Abraham knew what the Lord wanted him to do. If anyone chooses to imitate Abraham and sacrifice his son, that guy would turn out to be a murderer. Each one need to obey the Lord’s will for his life and not that of somebody else’s life. Concerning people like us, who are not full time Evangelists, I am challenged by the following verse:

 

TIT 2:9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

 

All of us, the ordinary believers, who are not full time workers, are witnesses; be witnesses in whatever manner possible. Testify the Lord and our faith by word and deed. It is part of our normal life and not something special or extra ordinary as being made out.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 13 Jan 2010 7:37:20 AM Close

Dear Br.Thomas Varghese in Christ,

 Testify the Lord and our faith by word and deed. It is part of our normal life and not something special or extra ordinary as being made out."

 

Testify the Lord and our faith by word for deed,  for what ? For the edification of the fellow believers or to reflect the image of Christ in our life to the unbelievers.If so what will be  the ultimate purpose of our testimony.

Mark 13

Signs of the End of the Age

 9But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

 10And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

 11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

" you" is not only for the Evangelist or full time workers, all those who are true witness of Christ in the present age of ours  have to pass this circumstances if the coming of the Lord is soon.

 

 1 Peter 4

  6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

A person who doesnt obey the Gospel of God, first he should hear the Gospel of God, then only he/she will discern to obey or not to obey.

Our task in this world  is to share the happiness of our salvation to everyone, irrespective of caste, creed , culture, as per your reply, I know what you are meaning to say, be free in writing that those who are predestined and predetermined God will seek them out . Brother all of us have the responsibility in sharing the Gospel, sure God has chosen many before the foundation of the world, we dont know who are they and where are they , might be sitting in our next chair, if we dont fulfill our responsibilities sure that particular soul will not be lost , God will use some one else instead of us to achieve that soul.

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

 

 

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 13 Jan 2010 9:29:05 AM Close

If anybody can save a few more than those the Lord foreknew before the foundation of the world, it is an added bonus; but I don’t know where such would be accommodated.

 

I believe (wish I am wrong) there are at least a few in almost all the Churches saved (whom the Lord never knew) and brought in by believers from their private initiative to fulfill the “Great Commission”. There are many things unknown to us; we don’t have to know them  - for the Lord knows.

 

It is time to close this dialogue - Bye.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 13 Jan 2010 12:02:22 PM Close

Dear Br.Thomas Varghese in Christ,

Thanks for the active participation in the discussion and closing down with a derogatory comment, Let our Almighty God help us wherever we are , and let us live always  for the Glory of the Heavenly Kingdom.

"but I don’t know where such would be accommodated"

Dont worry brother heaven is not a small place ,

Revelation 21 

16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Let us not be  worried about  Heaven that will be crowded. The ground level of the city will be nearly two million square miles.It  far larger than India. But remember, that's just the ground level.Given the dimensions of a 1,400-mile cube, if the city consisted of different levels (we don't know this), and if each story were a approx.  twelve feet high, the city could have over 600,000 stories. If they were on different levels, billions of people could occupy the New Jerusalem, with many square miles per person.

All the people from the origination of the earth and all the people which are yet to come in this world can be accomdated comfortably in this Kingdom(not only the predestined and foreknown ones) , so let us not be worried about the bonus souls as per your version.

Yours in Christ

Sam

 

 

 

 

 

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2010 6:02:21 AM Close

The " accommodation " referred  is not the physical space for boarding with the minimum furniture like a cot and bed; a writing table, table lamp, chair, book shelf, wardrobe, etc. Sam misunderstood it. The question is:

  1. Where and to whom do those not foreknown to the Lord belong to? 
  2. Where among the elect will they be placed and by whom?
I don’t need an answer. Goodbye yet again.
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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2010 6:57:17 AM Close

Dear brethren who have been answering to my post,

I know my  brother in Christ ,  Thomas wont be answering to my post, because he has bid me Good bye.

I often misunderstand many questions, because I am an illiterate. Praise God I am an illiterate in many fields.

Who are we to decide who is foreknown or not, Let us not worry about where and by whom the bonus souls will be placed in the heavenly kingdom, as in our earthly minds we have the pride  of bieng predestined and foreknown, like in this world might be who are foreknown will be in the first row of seats , let us hope there are are no scheduled caste and untouchability  in heaven as many think in the present assemblies of this world.

It is the responsibility of each born again believer to share the joy of salvation to other fellow human bieng, the foreknown only  will be chosen sure , it is God's plan , we dont have to worry about it, we quote and refer lame excuses from the scriptures to escape from our responsibility, we seem to coward, sure we have to holdfast our faith & testimony , and our testimony should be  for the glory of the God and to reflect the image of Christ in us to others around us, so that many may know Christ through our lives. 

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

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Reply by : ajmanchurch@gmail.com   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2010 7:26:53 AM Close

Jesus Commanded go and preach the good news - Let us do that.

Rom 1:14

(KJV)  I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

Rom 1:15

(KJV)  So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

Consider us as a debtor to everyone and preach the Word of God.

believer

 

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2010 11:26:39 AM Close

This is one of my favorite Hymns by William D. Longstaff.

William’s father was a wealthy ship owner in England. Money was never a problem for him and he was reared with the elite of his town. But God had singled out Longstaff to receive His message and His commission for his life. He attended church one day, and the sermon was preached by a missionary who was on furlough from China. The missionary chose, as his sermon text: 1 Peter 1:16

"Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. (KJV)" Although Longstaff was a businessman and very wealthy, this sermon struck a chord in his heart. He could not get the sermon out of his head or his heart, and he was convicted of his sin and accepted Christ as his Savior. He dedicated himself that day to do the will of God. (Taken from Lincoln Tribune)

1.      Take time to be holy, speak oft with thy Lord;
Abide in Him always, and feed on His Word.
Make friends of God’s children, help those who are weak,
Forgetting in nothing His blessing to seek.

 

2.      Take time to be holy, the world rushes on;
Spend much time in secret, with Jesus alone.
By looking to Jesus, like Him thou shalt be;
Thy friends in thy conduct His likeness shall see.

 

3.      Take time to be holy, let Him be thy Guide;
And run not before Him, whatever betide.
In joy or in sorrow, still follow the Lord,
And, looking to Jesus, still trust in His Word.

 

4.      Take time to be holy, be calm in thy soul,
Each thought and each motive beneath His control.
Thus led by His Spirit to fountains of love,
Thou soon shalt be fitted for service above.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 17 Jan 2010 12:25:01 PM Close

 

Another beautiful Hymn,

1.	Stand up, stand up for Jesus, 
	ye soldiers of the cross;
	lift high his royal banner, 
	it must not suffer loss.
	From victory unto victory 
	his army shall he lead,
	till every foe is vanquished, 
	and Christ is Lord indeed.

2.	Stand up, stand up for Jesus, 
	the trumpet call obey;
	forth to the mighty conflict, 
	in this his glorious day.
	Ye that are brave now serve him 
	against unnumbered foes;
	let courage rise with danger, 
	and strength to strength oppose.

3.	Stand up, stand up for Jesus, 
	stand in his strength alone;
	the arm of flesh will fail you, 
	ye dare not trust your own.
	Put on the gospel armor, 
	each piece put on with prayer;
	where duty calls or danger, 
	be never wanting there.

4.	Stand up, stand up for Jesus, 
	the strife will not be long;
	this day the noise of battle, 
	the next the victor's song.
	To those who vanquish evil 
	a crown of life shall be;
	they with the King of Glory 
	shall reign eternally.

Sam
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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 18 Jan 2010 5:08:18 AM Close

Quote from Br. Samuel

"Any one has this type of experiences please share."

Saji

 

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 19 Jan 2010 8:18:48 AM Close

First of all one should differentiate between Demon and Satan. If the Demon referred in Matthew 8 is Satan, how can he address Jesus as son of God?

 
People with Fits or Epilepsy resemble the ‘demon possessed man’ mentioned in Matthew 8.
 
 
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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 19 Jan 2010 10:50:31 AM Close

Dear "sahodaran"

Matthew 4

3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

 

Yours in Christ

Sam

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 20 Jan 2010 4:33:51 AM Close

My understanding on this passage is that, Satan is only challenging Jesus- “IF THOU BE the Son of God”. He is not accepting that Jesus IS Son of God; whereas in Matthew 8, the Demon is accepting him as Son of God.

If Satan admits that Jesus is Son of God- imagine what would have been the story of this world!

One of my hindu classmates in junior school used to have fits (with similar symptoms). He couldn't complete his schooling. Now a lottery ticket vendor in our town, he seems to be fine. No one has healed him- yet he makes a living.

 

 

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 20 Jan 2010 4:51:12 AM Close

Dear" sahodran"

Did  Satan had a belief of Islam or Jew , because they dont believe, Jesus Christ is the son of God. Satan very well knew  Jesus Christ is the son of God, he knows it from the Garden of Eden when God curses him, that his head is going to be bruised by the sacrifice of our Savior.

Yours

Sam

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 21 Jan 2010 4:44:17 AM Close

Isn't knowing and accepting different? Satan was a lair from the beginning and he knows that Jesus is son of God but doesn't want others to believe.

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Reply by : sku1   View Profile   Since : 23 Jan 2010 11:20:54 AM Close

"Sahodaran"

What  would you meant by "If Satan admits that Jesus is Son of God- imagine what would have been the story of this world!"

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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 24 Jan 2010 10:36:27 AM Close

The gospels contain no fewer than seven specific accounts of Jesus confronting evil spirits and delivering those under demonic influence: the tormented man (Mark 1:21-28; Luke 4:31-37); the demonpossessed mute (Matthew 9:32-34); the Gerasene demoniac (Matthew 8:28-34; Mark 5:1-20; Luke 8:26-39); the demon-possessed man who was blind and mute (Matthew 12:22-32; Luke 11:14-23); the Syrophoenician woman's daughter (Matthew 15:21-28; Mark 7:24-30); the epileptic boy (Matthew 17:14-21; Mark 9:14-29; Luke 9:37-43); and the woman with the spirit of infirmity (Luke 13:10-17).

Yet despite all this evidence in Scripture, the secular world tries to reduce reality to measurable bits of data, thereby dismissing the notion of evil spirits. It overemphasizes the cultural assumptions and primitive science of the time for the first Christians-implying that the gospel writers were naive and ignorant. It seeks to explain every disorder mentioned in the Bible in terms of physical and psychological illness, leaving no room for the possibility of demonic interference. The implication is that where there are no demons, there is no need for deliverance from them.

We all would agree that medical and scientific advances are good things. And yes, we should thank God for giving us the intellectual tools to make new discoveries that promote health and healing. At the same time, however, we should be careful not to base our philosophy of life solely on physically demonstrable facts and data. Science and scientific measurement can reveal only so much. Our own experience tells us that there is much more to us, and to the world around us, than meets the scientific eye.

Faith and Experience. Strictly speaking, the tools of hard science cannot "prove" the existence of evil spirits any more than they can prove the existence of God. There are some things in this world that we simply must accept on the basis of faith and human experience.

 

Saji

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 2 Feb 2010 5:27:10 AM Close

Had Satan admitted Christ’s Lordship -(My imagination)

a. before Adam & Eve – Sin would not have entered the world
b. at the time of Jesus’ life on earth- he would have been the best Missionary ever.
 
 
I did not say that demons did not exist, nor did I say that the Gospel writers were wrong. But I haven’t met a demon ever in my life, nor have I heard any such incident in my father’s or my grand father’s time- (except from Mahakavi KV Simon’s biography, the casting out of a demon from a house somewhere near Ranny). Was that the last Demon in Kerala? Have anyone heard about casting out Demons by our Evangelists/ Preachers/ Elders? (forget Pentecostals)  
 
Anyone who always think and fear about demons and Satan will definitely experience their presence. A born again person will never experience the power of such evil beings.
 
If any one does, in vain Christ died for him.
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Reply by : kprmathew   View Profile   Since : 2 Feb 2010 6:16:29 AM Close

May God use you more in the days to COME; Yes the need is to Be steadfast and equip ourself in prayer when we are into Mission fields

I had a couple of experiences when during meetings and coming back from meetings in some of the South Indian Villages.

The fact is God can do no more than He has done. At the cross He judged the devil and overthrew him and his hosts (John 12:31, 16:11), but it is through us that that victory has to be enforced. We are the links on earth through whom He is determined to realize the heading up of all things in Christ (Ephesians 1:10; Colossians 1:18,19), and to the extent that the devil can hinder prayer, to that extent He hinders the Holy Spirit’s working through us and keeps the purposes of God from maturing.
 

God Bless

KPR

 

 

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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 9 Feb 2010 3:37:03 AM Close

Quote "Anyone who always think and fear about demons and Satan will definitely experience their presence. A born again person will never experience the power of such evil beings.
 
If any one does, in vain Christ died for him."

I don't think the statement given above is correct. The Apostle Paul instructs us, "In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold (Greek topos)" (Ephesians 4:26-27). The implication is that if you give into anger often and carry a grudge, then the devil will gain a place in your life. The word topos means "place," but can have the special meaning as in the Ephesians passage of "possibility, opportunity, chance."[4]

Though Satan has "filled" Ananias' heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, yet Ananias and his wife Sapphira are held morally responsible for their action, and thus punished for giving into Satan (Acts 5:1-11).

However, experience and careful theological reflection on the scriptures makes us understand the matter clear. Missionaries and others who work commonly with people afflicted with demonic problems affirm that indeed Christians can be affected. In my experience I come across an incident in which a believer who was partaking Lords Table faced with an incident and when church prayed he got deliverance from it.  Even though Christians have the Holy Spirit in them, there may be various places in their life where demon oppression is strong.

Like Sin, Jesus defeated Satan on the cross but still as a born again believers, we have to fight sin not to take over us. Similarly we have to deal with the issue of Demonic influence etc.

Saji

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2010 3:53:32 AM Close

How can Psalm 91 be true if, “Missionaries and others who work commonly with people afflicted with demonic problems affirm that indeed Christians can be affected.” ?

Can you reveal the names of Missionaries who were afflicted by demons?
 
A Christian who dwells in the shadow of the Almighty will never be afflicted/affected by DEMONS. He may be tempted by Satan; but unless  yields to the temptation, he cannot sin.
 
 
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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2010 2:39:45 PM Close

 It seem that you misread the sentence. It does not say that Missionaries were afflicted by demons but "Missionaries and others who work commonly with people afflicted with demonic problems affirm that indeed Christians can be affected."

This is a controversial subject and hence from my understanding I concluded:

"However, experience and careful theological reflection on the scriptures makes us understand the matter clear. Missionaries and others who work commonly with people afflicted with demonic problems affirm that indeed Christians can be affected."

You may be of a different opinion and as KPR and Br. Samuel mentioned experience makes us to rethink our understanding.

Saji

 

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 11 Feb 2010 12:40:29 PM Close

Let me narrate two incidents which happened in our home town. The first one is about a cemetery near our collage where people used to see ‘Demons’ moving at night. No one dared to walk through the street after 7pm though it was a short cut to the town center.  Later it was found that the moving fire ball was an “eenaampechi,” an animal with glowing scales.

The other one is about a very Old Catholic church near our house where people used to hear the church bell at midnights. The villagers thought that it was a ‘Yakshi’. But some communist men decided to find the truth. They found that the ‘Yakshi’ was nothing else but some Bats coming to eat the guava fruits from the tree where the bell was hung!
 
 
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Reply by : sajimaniyatt   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2010 11:22:24 AM Close

Here we are discussing about an incident happened to Br. Samuel and subsequently KPR confirmed having similar incident in his mission fields. These are not fairy tales but real incidents like that experienced in Jesus time and Apostles time.

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2010 5:12:31 AM Close

As a ‘Born Again Brethren’ I will never support / believe such tales. My request to the supporters and preachers of those who believe in demons, please do not bring such heresies to ‘Brethren Assemblies’

I know a preacher-teacher who is usually ‘tormented at night by demons’
I know one brother who changed his son’s name for ‘goodluck’
There are still brethren who believe in ‘Rahu’ etc..
 
 
WHY ALL THESE STILL IN BRETHREN ASSEMBLIES?
 
ARE YOU FULLY SAVED BY JESUS CHRIST OR ONLY PARTIALLY?
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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2010 4:42:00 AM Close

Dear "sahodaran"

Please come out of  your pen name and then come with querries regarding the existing members of the forum, what do you know about Brethren Assemblies, please clarify that. I hope the brethren in the forums are much aware about me .

As I have mentioned in several threads I am born and brought up in an Evangelist family and still my father is  in the vineyard, but I dont have anything to boast of a brethren hereditary, because my father came out from a Marthomite background. Might be you  are much more aware about brethren teachings and faith than anyone else in the forum, let God not pass you through such circumstances , when we sit on the shore we feel the sea is calm, but venture into the deep , we will feel the turbulent winds, underwater current and the drift .When things are OK in life , we feel that the part of our teachings is perfect, let us not make our thoughts stern with the wrong intentions of adversary in our mind .

WHY ALL THESE STILL IN BRETHREN ASSEMBLIES? Because I believe in the word of God thoroughly and like to be in fellowship with likeminded believers who follow the scriptures in its right way.
 
ARE YOU FULLY SAVED BY JESUS CHRIST OR ONLY PARTIALLY? Has God in his plan partial Salvation, Did Jesus Christ die partially on the Cross.

Yours

Sam

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2010 5:42:51 AM Close

Dear Bro. Sam,

Why do you feel offended when I said “I do not believe in demon stories’? There is no adversity between us or anyone in the forum except on our views about demons.
 
My argument was that Demon mentioned in Mathew 8 is not Satan.
 
Beloved brother, you are still thinking from the same angle- someone told you that the person you met is demon possessed and you believed it because of his acts! Do you want to make others also believe it? Tomorrow another may come with a healing story-and another with prophesies. I am I wrong in saying ‘such heresies should not come to Brethren Assemblies’?
 
Where is that demon possessed man now? Is he fully healed and become a believer?
 
With my real name can you identify me? Then why not a pen name?
 
You were so happy when people supported your views – but very dismayed when someone opposed!
 
Even I do not boast in Brethren hereditary, but I really boast in Brethren Teachings and I am proud to be called a “Born Again Brethren”.
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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2010 7:06:50 AM Close

Dear "sahodaran"

Dont believe in Demons, fine , but would you believe satan still works in people , because satan rules the world for the time bieng, and the privileged ones God has pulled out from the clutches of Satan, till the day we were born again we were satan possesed people, well the way as you say I might be not the one who has been pulled out from the clutches of satan, all those who predestined and foreknown God has pulled out from the clutches is the one of our foremost   teachings , yet I might be one out of due time (bonus soul)  as some have mentioned in the thread ahead.

Dear "sahodaran" when you reply to any post or thread please read it completly before giving the verdict, Please make sure I dont feel offended by any of our brethren post, well if you have read the previous threads where I have been responding to several discussions  , often I have been arguing alone based on the scriptures, and I dont need the support of any members of the forum, even in this thread no one has supported me and I do not expect it from anyone, but what I have written was an experience which I along with some brothers from the local  brethren assembly had faced directly. When you are in the mission field you are going against satan, and satan will maximum try to restrict to reach a soul with the Gospel whom God has foreknown.He will not let any of his followers leave his clutches so easily.

For a matter of praise, let me state to the readers of the forum , six brethren those who were saved ,  from other language than malayalam witnessed the Lord in the waters by baptism, and a worship has started and a new other language assembly has come up by the vision of the Local Brethren Assembly believers here.

I have requested you to come out of pen name , just because I could address you as a "brother" or "sister" in Christ.

 

A brother in Christ(if you accept)

Sam

 

 

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Reply by : sahodaran   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2010 3:58:39 AM Close

Dear Brother Sam,

We are one in Christ...... always

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 18 Feb 2010 1:01:26 AM Close

John 15:1616Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John 14:12-14 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.   13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.   14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 15:7 7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John16:23-24 23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.   24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Acts 3:6,16 6Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
 

Philippians 4:1313I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
 

We can say to evil spirit to come out of a man In Jesus' name. 

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