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# 00028 :  Sarees!
I feel wearing churidar or chatta/mundu is always better than sarees for sisters.
Post by : Mariyamma  View Profile    since : 23 Oct 2002


Reply by : thomas   View Profile   Since : 23 Oct 2002 8:01:02 AM Close
We cannot insist on such dress code. Sisters those who wear churidhar regularly, why do they prefer to wear saree in the Assly meeting?. That means saree shows certain decency.

Wearing churidar is good since it covers the whole body.But bearing in mind that we still have the link between the old generation and cultures.

I stongly recomend that the sisters to should wear sarees in the assly meetings


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Reply by : Simi   View Profile   Since : 23 Oct 2002 8:12:29 AM Close
Dear thomas,
Churidar was a north indian (hindu) dress. We have adopted it just like our parents did years back by adopting sarees. But Saree is not covering the whole body. Moreover it is not a convenient dress also.
Therefore, if one cannot accept churidar, they should go back to the earlier versions - chatta mundu and kavini.
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Reply by : joseph   View Profile   Since : 25 Oct 2002 11:14:43 PM Close
Aren't we getting a little legalistic here?
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Reply by : Simi   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2002 12:26:18 AM Close
We already have a lot of 'legalistic' things in our assemblies, no? Even the order of our worship meeting has become so..

I know it is not practical to go for chatta/mundu. But it was just to defend our "churidar"

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Reply by : Shaji   View Profile   Since : 27 Oct 2002 2:50:04 PM Close
Sarees are so expensive compared to churidar and usually has more "kasavu" etc.

People who are insisting not to wear any Jewellery should also avoid such expensive and decorative dresses.

If I were a Woman, I would have dressed-up like my mother wearing Chatta-mundu & kavani, at least during my holidays!

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Reply by : thomas   View Profile   Since : 28 Oct 2002 7:43:26 AM Close
Dear Simi,
We need not go backwards by using chatta mundu and kavini.Agreed, Go forward. but....

Bearing in mind,when you boast churidhar as a full coverage of the body, you should also know that many of the occasions atleast few of the sisters they 'avoid' putting the "Duppatta", a third coverage, in the proper place, instead they use it to cover their neck.Is it designed for that purpose? Where the decency stands?

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Reply by : simi   View Profile   Since : 29 Oct 2002 12:41:45 AM Close
Thomacha,
Have u ever seen ladies wearing sarees coming out from a public transport bus in kerala? Most of the time they strugle to get a portion of the saree (which is used to cover the upper part) from the bus. Imagine their shape at that time. Again the same is the case while carrying little children on their sholders (the kerala style.

Either u have never noticed this or shall we think that u men enjoy these things!

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 29 Oct 2002 2:06:34 AM Close
Please dont conduct any fancy dress competition!!
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Reply by : jose   View Profile   Since : 31 Oct 2002 2:40:13 AM Close
Dear Mariamma, your name 'Mariamma' itself prove that you belong to an old generation. How can you forget your olden days you consider saree + blouse as a comforfable and a decent dress. How come you change a lot. Are you migrated anywhere.Churidhar style adopted/accepted recently, ie maximum period of 10 years. if you cross another 10 years you will definitely feel that chrurdhar is not at all acceptable and instead certain western dresses are fine in the chruches/society. Am I correct. Then where we ends?
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Reply by : Mariamma   View Profile   Since : 31 Oct 2002 5:32:21 AM Close
Dear Jose,
Your name Jose is a short form of Joseph, which is as old as 'Mariyamma' (remember Joseph and Mary).That means you should dress up like an old man waring only dhothi and a "thorthu" around his neck?

We ladies know what is confortable for us, why are you men interfear in our matters!
May be you are protecting your wife's dress code. What dress your children are wearing or will wear? Will they stick on to Sarees?

For your information, I am still a keralavasi.

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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 1 Nov 2002 10:43:32 PM Close
I wonder why people so much are concerned about women's dress only. What about men? Our g.fathers used to wear mundu & juba and the second or third generation adopted the western dress code (Pants & Shirt). Why are men not interested in Kurtha/Pyjamma (male form of saree/churidar)

If they like to wear a western dress, they have no right to instruct the women to wear a north indian dress.

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Reply by : Joseph   View Profile   Since : 4 Nov 2002 1:13:51 PM Close
If you look in Prov. 32, Eph. 7, and Rev 23 you can read exactly item by item what each of us are to wear and not to wear to the meetings of the church. If we live in India, Gulf, US: western dress, south indian dress, north indian dress, or Chinese dress. It's all there.

Oh wait a minute, scripture doesn't give specifics, only guidelines. I'm sorry. I must have been reading my fleshly version of the scriptures.

Instead consider:

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Reply by : Mariyamma   View Profile   Since : 5 Nov 2002 1:08:01 AM Close
We were not discussing any doctrines or theologies regarding cloths! Neither anyone ask for a proof from the Bible.

Are we (Brethren) not following some “Generally Accepted Principles” in every area of our church activities, which are not referred in the Bible? Who made such principles?

This is only a discussion, just to think and to improve. The sponsors of this site has provided such a good discussion board for the sisters of ‘brethren community’ (who are not allowed to speak/express their views anywhere) to put up their views and commends.

Brothers, please don’t grab this place also! Instead put some valuable comments.

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Reply by : mole   View Profile   Since : 7 Nov 2002 11:00:25 AM Close
Dear Brothers,

Please reserve this message board for our ladies only. What Mariamma said is absolutely right. If men occupy this space also where will they express their views. Thanks to webmaster for opening this message board. Sisters, don't feel shy, write your views freely here.

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 7 Nov 2002 4:37:33 PM Close
To Sis. Thomas, Sis. Joseph, Sis. Shaji and Sis. Jose (Assuming you are ladies for involving in this debate),

Pls quietly leave this sisters' forum if my assumption is wrong.

Thanks.

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Reply by : Sister Joseph   View Profile   Since : 7 Nov 2002 8:46:31 PM Close
This forum is not for the exclusive participation of sisters. It's for the discussion of topics that are of particular concern to sisters. If you ladies do not like what is posted, respond to it with valid reasons, don't dismiss it because it's written by a man.

This forum is to discuss ideas from scripture, to reason together. What else do we have as a standard? Let us use this forum as it is intended, to discuss scripture.

In fact on the American Uplook magazine board, there is a similar discussion thread about what to wear to a Breaking of Bread meeting. (www.uplook.org)

In the future, please do not attack a post because it's written by a man, or by an anonymous poster. Instead refute it because it's unscriptural.

Thank you.

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Reply by : sally   View Profile   Since : 8 Nov 2002 1:22:41 AM Close
I am a woman and I am in the US. I like to wear saree and churidhar and I wear them every sunday to an American (ie non-Indian) church gathering and the american believers like that dress very much

I just want to say this much. One should not be concerned much about "non-essentials". Sometimes it is very difficult for "staunch traditioners" to let go of some things that they have been used to as a tradition. There is fear of change. Sometimes there is fear that change will be forced upon them. There is so much moral degradation among believers (young and old - not being judgmental here) that the issue of wearing saree seems not even remotely relevant. Let us focus our energy on "essential" matters.

I personally think Saree is a more "sexy" dress than churidar. I believe its our reluctance to let go traditions thats the root of some questions discussed in the forum. And as I read from other posts, it seems to be a very disturbing thing for some people.

There are a lot of hurting/needy people (emotionally, financially, physically and even spiritually) out there. we should try to focus on ways to help them. Would we worry so much about saree/ornaments that we dont have eyes to see when young brethren girls marry unbelievers and vice-versa? And some of them are from "really" traditional brethren families as opposed to first generation families?

But its good to have discussion to say why we do things the way we do and not pass judgements, esp when there is absolutely no need for one. I wear both types of dresses cause - 1) I have them 2) I like them 3)They are very representative of my background and culture 4) I think I look good on them.

God bless all

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 8 Nov 2002 10:30:59 AM Close
I would encourage all readers to distinguish between what is cultural and what is scriptural. Sometimes, we do have a tendency to accept whatever we are brought up in as the norm and scriptural. It may be only a cutlural norm.

On a personal note, I think Churidhar is far more modest than sareees. However, sisters rooted in cultural upbringing will find it hard to avoid sarees. But for those outside, Churidhar seem to be more comfortable and modest.

Let us not be adamant in holding on to our views simply because its cultural but that rather, focus whether our appearance/clothing bring glory to God and whether it prevent others (especially men) from viewing in lust.

God Bless!

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Reply by : Thankamma   View Profile   Since : 9 Nov 2002 12:18:11 AM Close
I am a sister and I am 58 yrs now. I have been wearing saree throughout my life. Do you want me to change to churidar? What do you think will be the commends from the elders of my assembly, if I change?
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Reply by : RR   View Profile   Since : 9 Nov 2002 4:19:09 AM Close
The main drawback of Saree is that it does not cover the full body. Why can’t we design a blouse to cover the body completely?????????
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Reply by : john   View Profile   Since : 9 Nov 2002 6:07:45 AM Close
Sis. Sally’s description of saree as a ‘sexy’ dress was so abrupt. Did she ever thought of her mother or grand mother wearing saree as a sexy character?
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Reply by : sally   View Profile   Since : 9 Nov 2002 11:59:01 AM Close
That statement that I made is a relative one. I said saree is "more" "sexy" than churidhar. Of course, appearance depends on the person who is wearing it as well. But I think in terms of the ways of wearing as well as exposure, I think I still stand by my statement.

I have seen my mother in saree only (she is old enough not to have grown up during churidhar time) and my grand mothers in "chatta mundu" only. So there is no comparison in those cases. I dont want to get into any concourse of "sexy character" in general in this discussion topic, let alone in the context of my mother and grand mothers.

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Reply by : sally   View Profile   Since : 9 Nov 2002 12:20:52 PM Close
Also, to Bro John, I have a counter question-

If a boy/man thinks lustfully about another girl/woman, does that mean that he has the same feeling towards his mother and sister?

You know how lame an argument that is.

My point about this discussion topic is that we should be willing to adopt reasonable (harmless) changes into our lives and also be willing to accept the same changes in other peoples lives. For eg, to sis Thankamma- the answer is- if you "want" to switch to churidhar or "have" to switch to churidhar for some reason (like ease of getting dressed up because you dont have enough time etc), please do so. But please dont do it, just to initiate controversy. One thing you can definitely do is- you can let your kids (if you have daughters\daughters in law) and other peoples kids wear those if they wanted to. When I was an young adult in my kerala assembly, the older ammachis insisted that I (and my age group sisters) wear sarees to church. We did obey that most of the time even though it was not very convenient. We grew up wearing churidhars in schools\colleges\jobs every day. Why force a different dress in church.

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Reply by : john   View Profile   Since : 10 Nov 2002 12:08:19 AM Close
I don’t want to pollute this forum by arguing with a ‘kaanthari’ on this subject.

The difference is in how one wears saree, no? Our mothers tried to stick on to the purpose of wearing a dress. But the current generation wears saree as a ‘show off’ dress, only on special occasions. That also the way the beauty queens wear it!

What ‘RR’ says is a good suggestion. If our sisters wear saree as the way it originally meant, there would not have any such discussion even.

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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 10 Nov 2002 2:59:32 AM Close
Sisters or brothers but what about somebody with no ID? Eunuch?
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Reply by : simi   View Profile   Since : 10 Nov 2002 6:58:15 AM Close
Where is our Thomachan? At last desided to buy churidar fro his wife?
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Reply by : sally   View Profile   Since : 10 Nov 2002 8:58:22 PM Close
I think I know, Mr John, what you mean by "Kaanthari". But I dont know what you meant by "pollute" in this context.

I have said all that I wanted to with regards to this topic and I am not going to respond again. I just wanted to say that its difficult to argue against sound reason.

May God grant us wisdom and understanding to conduct our everyday lives

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Reply by : thomachan   View Profile   Since : 10 Nov 2002 10:30:40 PM Close
Simi, I am very much here. Thought of getting a good lesson out of this subject, but I understand that most of us are trying to compromise on the dress that their 'spouse' likes to wear and stick on to it and further giving publicity to the modern dress like 'churidhar' ,ultimately it will boost the sale. Can I think that 'simi' like person must be having 'churidhar shops' otherwise will not blindly considers wearing the sarees as a 'sexy' item or an indecent dress.

Simi, no doubt my wife wears saree only and she never thought of changing to churidhar to feel her as young.
I still suggest that sisters over 30 and belongs to this generation should wear sarees only in our gatherings. (whether you agree or not). Now we are tuning our mind to the modern dresses by ignoring our parents choices/advises, similarly our children will also tune themselves towards west. we cannot stop them from doing such)

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Reply by : jimmi   View Profile   Since : 11 Nov 2002 11:29:09 PM Close
Great discussion!we are so much concerned about what one should and should not wear in the assy. I wonder whether we are equally concerned about our spiritual raiments and traits with which we ought to array ourseles as i believe God see's genuiness of our hearts rather than our apparels,though this cannot be an excuse for indecent dressing in the assy. nor anywhere else.I do also believe that churidaar is equally decent,sober and graceful as saree is.

I think as compared to other believer communities worldwide,we Malayalees only are facing these type of problems and confusion regarding these issues as i guess we are trying to please God with our own self declared doctrines of ornaments, dress codes,marraige rules etc etc rather than practically implementing the teachings of our lord Jesus in our daily lives.

May the lord guide each one of us to understand, what God actually expects from us and lead us to be shining example to this world by our speech and action for his kingdom's sake.

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Reply by : MM   View Profile   Since : 12 Nov 2002 2:02:32 AM Close
Jimmy you are right. In the Bible Chapel where I am attending ladies wear skirts, pants or even few African believers wear their native dresses. Who care all these things. We are going there for worshipping God. I never heard ladies talking or arguing on their dresses there. We Malayalee's have more complex than any other people in the world.
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Reply by : Watcher   View Profile   Since : 12 Nov 2002 9:44:24 AM Close
Dear mariamma(Mary) and Jose(Joseph)
Now we understand who u are (refer to the points made by one of them on 31-10-2002 2.40 and the replyby other after three hours) it is not the high time to quarrel each other but to flee to Egypt with the baby ad herod is trying to kill the baby. Dont use sari as it is not appropriate for running, but wear inly churidar. Make sure that achayan wear pant or pyjama instead of Mundu and thorthu
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Reply by : jose   View Profile   Since : 12 Nov 2002 11:04:13 PM Close
Watcher! Are you feel like womiting when you see sisters wearing sarees, a decent and acceptable mode of dress, Don't look at them.

Now you are running with 'churidhar'. After few years with western. Then after... Where you intend to stop with your modernism?.

I am quite proud of what I wear 'Mundu'. When you live in such place, dress like a keeraleeyan which is ideal. Don't follow 'Saippu'

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Reply by : simi   View Profile   Since : 13 Nov 2002 5:11:01 AM Close
Watcher of Herod's palace or the Bethlehem Inn? or of the manger?
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Reply by : shaji   View Profile   Since : 13 Nov 2002 6:20:19 AM Close
I never thought Saree is such a 'highly inflammable' dress!
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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 13 Nov 2002 10:10:06 AM Close
Dear brothers(Thomas, Jose, Shaji,Joseph etc),
Please leave this forum for ladies alone. Dont interfere in their affairs,let them discuss their matters among themselves.
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Reply by : shaji   View Profile   Since : 13 Nov 2002 2:42:24 PM Close
I think sis. jesssy wrote about you on 11/10/2002

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 15 Nov 2002 10:37:02 AM Close
Sis Jessy,
you called those without ID as eunuch.Then what word will u use to address a person who wish to sit in between ladies and hesitate to get out from there in spite of repeated request like shaji ?
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Reply by : Let me repeat   View Profile   Since : 15 Nov 2002 11:34:16 AM Close
The Ladies' forum is not for the exclusive use of ladies, but for the discussion of issues that affect our sisters.

Sisters are not restricted from participating in the General Forum, neither should they be. Same with the Youth.

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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 15 Nov 2002 11:34:43 PM Close
If u are a M or F please come into the discussion rather than sneaking through the door hole.
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Reply by : Mariamma   View Profile   Since : 18 Nov 2002 3:11:04 PM Close
Dear brothers and sisters, please don't fight like this.

This is an open discussion. Since "without man, there isno woman and without woman there is no man" let us discuss this together.

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Reply by : a reader   View Profile   Since : 18 Nov 2002 10:17:04 PM Close
Mariamma, I don't agree with you. Sisters to be silent until the brothers come to a reasonable conclusion.

I suggest, Just obey what the husbands says at each family and since they are the HEAD(Sisters are 'weak vessels' and there are chances of taking weak decisions by them)

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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 18 Nov 2002 11:55:36 PM Close
To the nameless reader,

Do you have the same attitude towards your wife also? Then you should take care. One day she will beat you with the 'CHIRAVA'

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Reply by : a reader   View Profile   Since : 19 Nov 2002 12:27:52 AM Close
Dear Jessy,
Why you become annoyed when I said the truth and the scriptural fact.
As a matter of fact, my wife never opposes against the decision I make within the family. Sister, pls try to understand that you can share your openion to your hus., but the DECISION should be his, the HEAD. Otherwise such family's future would be anemic.

About 'chirava' beating (I believe that you practice occasionly even), which is not within us, since we both are born in christ and do drive a new life.

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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 19 Nov 2002 7:50:06 AM Close

I can't imagine how your wife lives with you!

If all the decisions are yours, why are you discussing with your wife? It is simple "Stree peedanam" !!

The bible also teaches men to respect their wives.

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 19 Nov 2002 2:50:36 PM Close
It’s unbelievable and even sad to see how simple questions can turn to be an argument.

As a man myself, I don’t understand why some jump into this discussion and try to rule with an iron hand. It’s rather humorous to see how scripture is twisted to push one’s selfish claims.

Brethren, this is a discussion and not an assembly! This is the Sisters’ Forum and they are entitled to share their thoughts in this forum w/o being pestered. If brothers disagree, learn to agree to disagree in love and express your views positively rather than try to stomp out someone with wrong interpretation of Scriptures.

It’s not a man’s God-given gift to make his wife submit by any means. If so, God would have given a robotic wife. We, claiming to be godly men and knowing the scriptures, must learn to love our wives as Christ loved the Church. Once we strive to practice this truth, the question of submission would not even arise! "My way or the Highway" - mentality is often derived from insecurity!

Please refrain from unhealthy arguments but rather let us speak in love, encouraging one another.

God Bless!

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Reply by : Lydia   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2002 3:35:35 AM Close
I think wearing saree is not a bad idea.And I think that it is a good thing for women to wear saree for meetings but I would also like to tell that we should wear it in a decent manner.churidar is also a good dress .
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Reply by : Santha   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2002 11:55:31 PM Close
Who says saree is a "sexy" dress? I feel this is a very modest dress compared to churidar.

I have noticed many times that people who wear churidar is just puting the 'chunni' around their neck, neglecting the very purpose of it. And if they wear a tight one, I will call it the real "sexy" dress!

At least saree will cover those areas!

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Reply by : Ammachy   View Profile   Since : 1 Dec 2002 5:54:34 AM Close
All these- saree and churidar are very colourful and expensive compared tho my dress chatta, mundu and kavini.

If you want to live a simple life, adopt my dress!

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Reply by : Valsa   View Profile   Since : 10 Dec 2002 11:11:18 PM Close
Ammachy,

There is a great genaration gap between your time and our time. Unlike your time, we ladies of this generation have to work in offices or hospitals to earn some good money, which in turn benifit the gospel work in India.

Is it wrong that we wear a modest dress, rather than upholding the old dress codes for the betterment of the Brethren community?

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Reply by : me   View Profile   Since : 11 Dec 2002 1:58:26 AM Close
Sarees or Salwar kameez worn modestly and glorifying God should be the yardstick. Are we trying to prove our spirituality goes into another plane when we wear sarees ?

I notice many brothers are involved in this discussion. If the brothers paid more attention to evangelising and adding more souls to the kingdom of God - they would get special crowns in heaven. How is it that the brothers who are writing this are not wearing shirt, mundu and nariyadu ? Why the pant and suit? How do they have time to waste debating on sarees & salwar kameez and trying to bring in doctrines and spiritualising it ?

It is really a culture thing - In other cultures if women showed their midriff and backs etc. they would be looked down upon as immodest. We don't have to look far. Our sisters in Saudi have to wear "burqa" or they will be beaten by the mullahs !!!

It would be much better for all and much more edifying if we all gave up this "frog in the well" attitude and look beyond. The Lord is coming soon let us spend time winning souls for His kingdom and not waste our time on trivial matters - like dress code, ornaments etc. !!

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Reply by : a brother   View Profile   Since : 11 Dec 2002 3:57:52 AM Close
'Me' a woman or a man?

He/She is eagerly waiting ONLY for Christ's Coming! Are you breathing atleast?

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Reply by : John   View Profile   Since : 14 Dec 2002 10:51:52 PM Close
If the muslim community is so strict in such matters, how much more we Christians should be?

Unless there are such discussions, who will realise these things?

If brothers are not allowed to pin point the weakness of our sister's dress, the public will do it.

For men, pant/shirt is a modest dress compared to mundu/shirt. We are not on the path to hail our traditions.

Therefore let us discuss together. For there is no woman without man or man without woman.

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Reply by : A Wayfarer   View Profile   Since : 19 Dec 2002 1:30:46 PM Close
Sister Jessy.

Ref your posting on 11/19/02 - I do respect my wife. She insists on wearing skirts and I don't object, but, at the same, she strongly disapproves my wearing dhoti and thorthu! What 'peedanam' is that? Purushapeedanam, or Mahapeedanam?!

Sorry, for fear of my wife I cannot disclose my identity. Hope you won't mind.

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Reply by : onlooker   View Profile   Since : 20 Dec 2002 1:30:13 AM Close
The modest dress in my opinion is "Burka". Wear a burka on the top of Saree then everyone will look same. Nothing mentioned in the Bible against wearing a Burka.
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Reply by : Jessy   View Profile   Since : 21 Dec 2002 6:00:12 AM Close
Hi Wayfarer, yours is a special case. If you really want to wear dhothi and thorth and your wife doesn't allowe it even after you allowed her to wear skirt, take your chirava and stop that 'peedanam'!

Real Brethren do not belive in 'Mahapeedanam'

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Reply by : Joy   View Profile   Since : 23 Dec 2002 12:36:02 PM Close
Dear Sister Jessy,
Neither do 'real brethren' believe in the sort of silly discussions which are going on on these web pages - it is neither educating nor edifying. It has become necessary, I believe, to stress to the 'Brethren' the basic tenet of Christian faith, 'be ye born again'. Don't misunderstand me, but that is what is needed.

May the Lord open our eyes to the scriptures which are able to build us up in Christ Jesus. No 'chirava' nor 'olakka' will do it.

A brother in Christ.

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 24 Dec 2002 1:08:07 AM Close
I think this is a forum for general discussion, not only about "Christian faith and be ye bon again"

Wonder why those who are so concerned about these matters, spent their time in browsing thru these pages!

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Reply by : Blessey   View Profile   Since : 26 Dec 2002 10:19:35 AM Close
It is interesting to read this discussion and to read the much bickering back and forth.

Let us search the scriptures to see what it has to say about our dress:

1 Timothy 2:9
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

It is interesting to see here that no mention is given as to the origin of the clothes--whether from the west or from India. It is further interesting that there is no mention of "saree" in this verse or in the entire of scripture.

I submit to you brothers and sisters, that the only standard God has set out is the modesty of believers. No one can say with any authority (except he/she be legalistic and imposing non-scriptural rules) that a particular dress or style of dress is worldly, ungodly unless it is immodest. It doesn't matter if the dress is of the most latest fashion or if it is an Americanized style or western style. It doesn't matter if it is a selvar or saree. If it is not modest, then it doesn't belong.

Notice further, brothers and sisters that scripture makes direct reference to expensive clothes.

As to whether a saree is indecent or immodest because it shows the tummy, that is not a subject I will comment on. I don't think so. But if it causes someone to stumble in anyway, then the middle should be covered.

Please consider these thoughts.

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2003 10:44:14 PM Close
Where is Mariamma?
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Reply by : KK   View Profile   Since : 15 Jan 2003 12:16:11 PM Close
I agree with Blessey.Good thoughts Blessey
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Reply by : Santha   View Profile   Since : 16 Jan 2003 12:46:13 AM Close
I may stumble some one, and may not others. because a every one are not alike. It is our duty to cover those areas.

But if you really want to expose, you can even by wearing a salvar.

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Reply by : shalu   View Profile   Since : 16 Jan 2003 9:37:14 AM Close
old lady,s are wearing sarees ,but what about her daughter in law.JEENS. first u remove stick in ur eyes then others.
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Reply by : Jeen   View Profile   Since : 17 Jan 2003 11:01:35 PM Close
Old or young, daughter or inlaw or ay body, you wear a Jeens! as it covers the whole body.
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Reply by : shalu   View Profile   Since : 20 Jan 2003 10:44:28 AM Close
Jeens is not covering the body but showing ur shape also.remember,as a believer u must not wear a dress just to please others.
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Reply by : Jeen   View Profile   Since : 20 Jan 2003 11:01:27 PM Close
even if u wear salvar or sari, u cannot hide your shape. at least jeens has a lot of merit than others like 1. it is very comfortable 2. cheep 3. it protects your body 4. less maintanance time and so on.
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Reply by : kochamma   View Profile   Since : 22 Jan 2003 10:26:02 AM Close
There is one more advantage for Jeens - no need to wash and there by save money and energy
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Reply by : Jeen   View Profile   Since : 26 Jan 2003 10:40:36 PM Close
Why do u hate jeens? is it because of its color? Whats the difference if it was pure white?
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Reply by : Tinu   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2003 10:32:19 PM Close
Sis.Mariyamma, At last what have you decided? to continue saree or to switch on to salvar? Why r u silent?
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Reply by : Mariamma   View Profile   Since : 22 Feb 2003 11:31:19 PM Close
Thanks for remembering me!

I was watching the discussion from outside. I thank God for the zeal of our sisters. Let me put down the points I have noticed from this discussion:

1.Ladies still fight each other for silly things. (even if they are believers, or they have good education)

2.Some men still wants an upper hand over their wives.

3.Some people are crazy in upholding traditions even if there are shortfalls.

4. No one likes to wear saree in the way it was originally worn, ie; covering full tummy and the neck (refer any photograph of Kamala Nehru)

5.No one likes to wear a chatta/mundu at least for a change (as someone suggested)

Love to all
Mariamma

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Reply by : Tinu   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2003 6:33:21 AM Close
ok ok, what about u, mariamma? whats ur decison?
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Reply by : chinnu   View Profile   Since : 1 Apr 2003 11:26:08 PM Close
Why do we quarell for sarees! What about those who wear 'see through" dresses?
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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2003 5:28:45 PM Close
Let's end this pointless discussion.

We all have common sense. We all know what is appropriate and what isn't depending on what the situation is. If we're not sure what is appropriate, err to the side of caution.

Use your common sense, people!! Don't wear something that may cause someone offense. Why create problems?

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 5 Apr 2003 10:40:54 PM Close
THE END
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Reply by : Achayan   View Profile   Since : 29 Apr 2003 12:23:24 AM Close
Praise the Lord!
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Reply by : Elder   View Profile   Since : 28 Jun 2003 6:10:45 AM Close
More than 50 replies and counter reples... Tremendous response.. Most of them are in fighting nature.

My opinion - This subject has helped not to arrive at any conclusion but just to fight each other (some tradition which is already built-in can never be changed !!!) So do not try to change anybody's opinion.

So dear Mariyamma - u started this topic right? Please do not open such a useless subject. Let us talk some thing better, some thing spiritual.

Donot think much about your/others dress. Read the Bible and understand the Word of God. (Please loose your temper on me - I am not there to fight please!!!!)

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Reply by : Mariamma   View Profile   Since : 31 Aug 2003 11:44:30 PM Close
hi ‘elder’,

If you were a real Elder, you wouldn’t have called yourself an elder.
You are just jealous of the tremendous response received to this subject.

If such subjects are not opened for discussion, how will we know the ‘built-in’ characters of our sisters?

This is a ladies forum, and we have the right to discuss our problems here. Men have no right to suppress us in expressing our views.

The sisters who contributed their views and ideas are anyhow the wives of people like you!


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Reply by : Sisters   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2003 10:34:40 PM Close
The so called ELDERS are the real problem in the malayali assembly.
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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 13 Oct 2003 4:44:50 AM Close
Dear Sis.Mariamma
I am not an elder (i donot know how did it appear - sorry).

U opened this useless and cheap subject because you do not want to discuss any thing important and meaningful. U claim that you have received tremendous response - Congrats. I feel pity on you. This shows the status of our christianity of this era. If you would have opened something valuable - there wont be much response.

U are saying that this is a ladies forum and men should not have any right to come up - agreed. I again feel pity on your husband - poor man. For your information, my wife is happy with me.
In your last response, by opening this subject you just want to know other ladies' characters. This itself shows the motivation behind starting such a subject. U r happy if u get responses which justify your ideas. Ok Carry on ladies are expecting some thing more from you. Today u will discuss about dress and tomorrow something else in the public.

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 13 Oct 2003 8:47:21 AM Close
To the Above Writer:

Please use a unique name. 'Varghese' is already being used. Thanks.

God Bless!

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Reply by : TV   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2003 3:50:14 AM Close
To "Sisters"

Do not blame always Elders. I would say the so called sisters are the real problem creaters in the assemblies. Thanks for not having given much freedom to this category (if given things would have been worse!!).

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Reply by : jay   View Profile   Since : 3 Feb 2004 1:13:19 AM Close
Just listen to these grumpy old men throwing tantrums in a women's forum! You ought to be ashamed of yourselves!!!

Sisters - churidar or saree or chatta-mundu - whatever it is, you have bravely maintained this aspect (dress) of our culture in the face of the blatant hypocrisy of the men - when's the last time you saw a man wearing a mundu to Church in the Gulf or in North America - even in Kerala it's not always the case. I salute you all sisters!

As for the grumpy old men, I encourage you to read Matthew 7:3-5 before contributing to this discussion further!

Blessings

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Reply by : wwjd4me   View Profile   Since : 17 May 2004 5:07:48 PM Close
Dear Bros and Sisters,
I feel that all this arguing about the sisters' dresscode is silly considering the fact that we are all wise enough and mature and well aware enough to know how to present ourselves in a "modest" fashion in the church and God. However, since this topic is being discussed, my opinion on this topic is that a sari is appropriate to wear, providing that the sister is wearing it properly. With all due respect, in case you are clueless to how it should be worn, it is definitely not to used to flaunt your belly or lack of it. (contrary to popular belief). Nor is used to attract men, (since we are Christians and we are trying to please God and pleasing Him not only with our words, but by our actions down to the most miniscule detail. This includes dress.) If the sari is worn properly, it should cover your whole body. If you choose to do otherwise, then that is your choice. So just to wrap this up, I think that one would know by now what is appropriate to wear. Just be sure that whether its churidar or sari, lengha or selvar...whatever it is you want to wear, make sure you have respect for God, the dear brothers and sisters around you and you're not trying to show off or make yourself a distraction to other people.

God Bless!

-WWJD4ME

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Reply by : phebeanu   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2004 1:02:16 AM Close
Hi,
I may be much younger to you all but i want to put my view point also. When I dress up for any assembly meetings, one thing that crosses my mind is that I am going to be in the presence of my saviour. Whether he is pleased by my way of dressing is my prime concern. I pray for discernment to wear the appropriate clothing for the ocassion to remember him with the other saints of the church. Remember, We are going to meet the one who is more important than the presidents and prime ministers of our countries. Beleive me Our Gracious Lord gives us grace for all our small and big needs.

Yours in HIM
Phebe

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Reply by : hhhd   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2004 3:55:20 PM Close
What is "ammachy" doing on the internet? Isn't this ammachy a paradox, wearing chatta mundu and answering forums? I have a feeling that this "ammachy" is fake.
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Reply by : phebeanu   View Profile   Since : 2 Dec 2004 1:02:38 AM Close
Remember hhhd to respect grey hair. That is what word of God teaches. By the way, I am 25 yr married woman from India.

Phebe

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Reply by : hhhd   View Profile   Since : 2 Dec 2004 6:41:42 PM Close
Phoebe,
I don't think I am disrespecting anyone here. You need to read the complete posts in this topic before deciding who is respectful and who is not.
I'd be glad to get to know this "ammachy", coz I am assuming that ammachy would be in her 80's if she is still wearing chatta mundu, but knows the technology of internet. That must be a really learned ammachy! Thats why I was compelled to write that post.
Anyway this discussion on saree vs chudidar seems to be really futile. As long as you are not dishonoring God and not offending other people, you should be alright. The point is, in churches in India, not many churches have women who wear dress pants to church, so wearing that might be offensive to other believers, in that case avoid it. Thats what apostle Paul says regarding eating meat offered to idols. It is not a problem, coz Idols are not true gods. But if it is a stumbling block to someone, avoid it. I think the same ethics could be followed for dressing.
Another thing I want to mention - Even in western countries, atleast in the churches I have been, no wears jeans to worship meetings, only dress pants or skirts or dresses.
Regards,
Hanah D
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Reply by : hhhd   View Profile   Since : 2 Dec 2004 6:42:17 PM Close
Phoebe,
I don't think I am disrespecting anyone here. You need to read the complete posts in this topic before deciding who is respectful and who is not.
I'd be glad to get to know this "ammachy", coz I am assuming that ammachy would be in her 80's if she is still wearing chatta mundu, but knows the technology of internet. That must be a really learned ammachy! Thats why I was compelled to write that post.
Anyway this discussion on saree vs chudidar seems to be really futile. As long as you are not dishonoring God and not offending other people, you should be alright. The point is, in churches in India, not many churches have women who wear dress pants to church, so wearing that might be offensive to other believers, in that case avoid it. Thats what apostle Paul says regarding eating meat offered to idols. It is not a problem, coz Idols are not true gods. But if it is a stumbling block to someone, avoid it. I think the same ethics could be followed for dressing.
Another thing I want to mention - Even in western countries, atleast in the churches I have been, no wears jeans to worship meetings, only dress pants or skirts or dresses.
Regards,
Hanah D
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Reply by : johnson2   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2004 8:07:25 AM Close
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Reply by : mrs.thomas   View Profile   Since : 14 Dec 2004 5:04:53 AM Close
I have always been an observer here, never discussed anything yet. now i feel i should talk! from the many forums i have seen in here, I believe sister Sally has a good outlook on the practical christian life and she has succeeded in putting it into the right words for us to understand. i am proud of Sis. Sally, you are doing a good job. I believe here we believers do take things a bit serious and we often forget that our Lord sees what is in our hearts. He is not a God who looks at the outward appearances and He wants to see a pure and obedient heart in us. whether we satisfy Him in this . lets examine ourselves!
May the Lord help us
God Bless
Mrs.Thomas
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Reply by : susanmathews   View Profile   Since : 16 Dec 2004 9:58:19 AM Close
all u can wear what you want to wear.
nobody will qstn
jeans u need.. u wear it
sary u want wer u wear it.
but if you want others to see your shape..please put all in tight way
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Reply by : ba   View Profile   Since : 6 Jan 2005 12:47:16 PM Close
Dosent scripture say, "As the grass of the field, Solomon wasent clothed like it." The birds in the air do not so seads or reap, yet your heavenly father takes care of them.

Do you see the application with that verse, in your personal life. Obiedence to gods word is important.

Thank You.

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Reply by : blessyjayaron   View Profile   Since : 21 Apr 2009 10:51:51 AM Close
I just want to put a question to everyone. Why are people(especially believers) so much concerned about sisters. For each and everything they try to take out small nooks. If they wear bright dresses for that also complaint,if they wear dull coloured dresses for that also complaints,if they are going out for work for that also complaint, nt going out for work complaint saying she is lazy to go out and work, if we open our mouth for explanation-complaint, if we don't speak complaints. if children are quite complaint to mother saying nt allowing child to mingle with others, if talkative and naughty complaint breeding not proper.This is very bad . People should understand that each and every individual has her own identity and it should be exercised in a proper way within the limits of brethren principles.In my opinion wearing sarees in churches is not necessary as it is not very comfortable and more time consuming. Moreover churidars are modest dresses that whole world has accepted. I teach adult Arab boys and girls. Churidar with proper dupatta pin up is the dress code accepted for Indian lecturers.Sarees can be worn in assemblies on special occassions.
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Reply by : jasmine2   View Profile   Since : 5 May 2009 1:00:01 AM Close
I THINK OLDER SISTERS LOOK GOOD IN SAREESTHE YOUNGER ONES CHURIDHAR OK.
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Reply by : ayyopavam   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2010 7:31:11 AM Close

i am very new here. but wanna to say that sarry or churudhar or jeens or chatta mundu watever u wear u should keep u r self and just learn that what is the purpus of dress. enthu thanne uduthalalum athu udukkendathu pole alla enkil gunam thadhayva.kanunnavarku sukhikkan( cheruppakkaraya anungalku prathyekichum).pinne if u r saying about old stage befor chatta munde there was some thing else like maru marakkathe dress cheyyan nirbandham undayirunna kalam.angottum pokumo iny ellaroode. about churidhar there a kind od short up ,if u lift u r hands to stant in a bus u know what is happening ,pinne sarry athinte madakkukal onninu meethe onnayi adukky beaty akkaunnathinu pakaram idendathupole ittal nallathu thanne. But..................... ? then blouse athinte pinnampuram cinima poster ottikkan vitham thurannittullathe ,alla enkil mun vasham vetti irakkiyathu. athonnum pennungalku kolla. but nammude vishwasikalaya sahodharimar cheythal athu shariyano. pinne jeens nte top button idan polum pattathavidham tyte ayathu. ithokke are kanikkan ?>mattullavare atract cheyyikkan alle? ethudressum nallathu thanne upayokikanda pole upayokichal. jeens anenkil polum athu adhikan tyte akathirikkunnathanu nallathu. ok by  

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 6 Sep 2012 8:11:11 PM Close

Sarees and churidar are ok to wear.

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Reply by : renesh1983   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2012 3:32:42 PM Close

my my you guys are breaking your head over these petite issues. Remember people, you don’t need any one to tell you what to wear and what not to wear. if you are matured enough you would know wats appropriate to wear when you go to church. And I believe we go to church to worship "THE MAN" and not to check out who is wearing wat. Ladies wear saree coz its culture. Guess what culture is more important than Jesus. That’s not my point jus have your priorities set and all this will fall into place. Jus have a Good time in Church talk to people have a good fellowship. That’s all. if you guys go with this kind of mind set on what people are wearing, like Saree, V-cut shirt or skirts, gold, hair style. bhla bhla, bhla. you guys are very confused as to where you want to be, whether it’s a church or a fashion show. I’m out people. Have a great day. 

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