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# 00033 :  Can Sisters talk in our assembly gatehrings?
Why are we 'Brethren' so rigid by not allowing the Sisters to talk in our metings?
Post by : Sodari  View Profile    since : 4 May 2003


Reply by : BROTHER   View Profile   Since : 6 May 2003 4:42:18 AM Close
PLEASE READ 1 TIMOTHY 2:11
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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 7 May 2003 9:51:53 AM Close
What do you wish to talk ? Preach ? Lead ? Exhort ?
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Reply by : Sodari   View Profile   Since : 10 May 2003 12:53:30 AM Close
why are men so interested in this 'sisters forum'?

some are spineless, not even dare to put a name!

My questeion is:
What is wrong if a sister does a thanks giving prayer in our worship meeting? (remember, they are allowed to sing)

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Reply by : jeena   View Profile   Since : 10 May 2003 4:09:25 AM Close
It is wrong for the women to speak, because the Bible teaches so. in 1 Tim 2:11,12 and in 1Cor 14:34-36 in five verses Six times the apostle says not to speak and be in silence.

In the whole Bible, there is no case seen that a woman speaking in the Temple, Synagogue or Church. Women can talk, pray or teach outside the church,, but not inside.

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Reply by : blessy   View Profile   Since : 10 May 2003 11:14:22 AM Close
Look at the case of Mary when she washed the Lord's feet. This was one of the most powerful scenes of worship in all the NT, but she didn't say one word.
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Reply by : BRETHREN GIRL   View Profile   Since : 14 May 2003 1:19:42 PM Close
I AM SURE SOMEONE IS GOING TO CATCH ON MY NAME. I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN MY NAME IF I WAS KNOWN TO YOU GUYS.

REGARDING SISTERS SPEAKING IN THE ASSEMBLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WORSHIP NEED NOT BE A LOUD SPEAKING. YOU CAN WORSHIP THE LORD WITH MORE CONCENTRATION WHEN YOU DO IT IN YOUR MIND BY CLOSING YOUR EYES. ALSO IN PSALMS IT IS MENTIONED THAT ALL THE LIVING THINGS TO WORSHIP GOD WHICH INCLUDES ANIMALS OF ALL SORTS, PLANTS AND YOUNG & OLD. SO IT IS SURE GOD WILL ACCEPT THE SPEAKLESS WORSHIP AS WELL. ALSO SISTERS CAN WORSHIP EVERYWHERE OTHER THAN IN THE CHURCH, IN FACT A SISTER IS NOT ALLOWED TO LEAD OR REPRESENT THE ASSEMBLY IN ANY OF ITS SPIRITUAL ACTIVITIES LIKE PRAYER, EXHORTATION, MESSAGE AND EVEN IN SINGING. WHEN IT IS RESTRICTED BY PAUL IT IS NEEDLESS TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, TRY TO DO THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER THINGS WHICH PAUL EARNESTLY REQUESTED TO DO BY SISTERS.

GOD BLESS

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Reply by : Opinion   View Profile   Since : 22 May 2003 2:52:14 PM Close
Sisters should not pray or exhort in the presence of men. Man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of Church. If a sister exhort a man, it would be like church exhorts Jesus Christ. Which should never happen.
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Reply by : Sodari   View Profile   Since : 31 May 2003 12:02:09 AM Close
You mean women cannot speak in front of men. And they can do it in the sisters meeting!

What is the difference betweeen men and women in the 'Church' Which is the bride of Christ?

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Reply by : jonathan   View Profile   Since : 3 Jun 2003 11:41:02 AM Close
Before I get criticized for posting here even though I'm a man, let me echo the words of another poster here who said that the sisters forum is not for the sisters only but for the discussion of topics relating to sisters.

Sister sodhari,

You are absolutely correct:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

However, we all have different roles & functions. 1 Timothy & 1 Corinthians make that very clear. That does not mean, however, that men are more important than women or vice versa. It does mean God has defined for us specific jobs.

For example, on a soccer (football) team, each person, whether goal keeper, defence, forward, whatever, each has a different job description, yet each is equally vital to the team.

In the same way, in the body of Christ, God, in His wisdom, has said that men are to assume the leadership & speaking roles. Why? I don't know. We'll have to ask God in heaven.

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Reply by : TV   View Profile   Since : 28 Jun 2003 6:18:04 AM Close
Again fighting started...... Please stop discussing on this subject this will help you only to fight each other.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 10 Jul 2003 10:57:56 AM Close
TV,

The fighting will continue till we submit to God's word. We want to worship God, but are not willing to obey His word. That is the root of all fighting.

I am placing before you only my inferences based on my observations and am not willing to continue on this subject, here.

Saloam malekim!!!

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Reply by : Sister   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2003 10:45:20 PM Close
Those who insisted on "women to keep silent", do all you know what the word silence means? women can sing, is it Silent? Women can pray in cottage meetings, my assemlby sisters do, but not in worhsip meeting? Praying in cottage meeting, is that Silent? Then on watch night service, women can give testimony and pray, is that Silent? Dear brothers and sisters, DO NOT PLAY double games. If you say silent, let it be silent. Understand the context of Bible and and to whom it was written before making these kinds of conclusions. As per tradition some one started in the past and we follow that blindly. There is no difference between men or women and women should have the liberty to worship. No one can worship on behalf of some one. It is right time for kerala brethren to throw away all this fanatic disciplines and claiming that we are masters in Bible.
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Reply by : Sodari   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2003 7:50:14 AM Close
There is no fighting here. Let us express our veiws and there by learn from the 'wise.'

Therefore I urge every sisters who read this to post your comments here.

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Reply by :   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2003 2:34:55 AM Close
I think we ought to concentrate more on obedience and humility which should adorn us.We have all the oppurtunity in the world to study,meditate,pray,sing aloud in our homes.But in a public place,God has placed men of God to lead and let them do it.We should pray for them.Moreover every women successful in the Bible were not the loud or noisy ones but rather the opposite.
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Reply by : tabitha   View Profile   Since : 3 Sep 2004 2:11:08 PM Close
As a woman, my personal perferance is to remain silent in worship meetings. The very fact that we cover our heads in the worship indicates our submission to man, who in turn is submitted to God. When we sing together with the men in worship are voices are blended in harmony (unless someone's trying to make a point).
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Reply by : sheeba1   View Profile   Since : 11 Sep 2004 4:41:27 AM Close
The whole concept of sisters talking or not talking in the assembly meeting, amoung the brethren teaching is incorrect. The bible says During worship sisters should not speak or minister. But when its a general meeting, for e.g. like bible classes, or testimony meetings, sisters can speak, but again NOT LEAD any meetings. Sisters can speak or lead a class during their get together known as a sister's meeting.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 14 Sep 2004 10:37:31 AM Close
Dear sheeba1,

In the light of your posting on 11/9/2004, how do you explain 1 Corinthians 14:35?

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : cultureshock   View Profile   Since : 15 Sep 2004 2:56:35 PM Close
1 Timothy 2:11-12 proclaims, A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created (1Tim 2:13) and the way in which sin entered the world (2Tim 2:14). God, through the Apostle Paul, restricts women from being pastors, preaching to, teaching, or having authority over men. This not because men are always better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not true). That is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative and proclamational role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or serving as a pastor / having spiritual authority over men. This does not make women less important, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with how God has gifted them.

The context of 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 is talking about interpreting and understanding the gifts of tongues and prophecy (1Cor 14:26-32). Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:34 is not commanding women to be absolutely silent in the church all the time. It is only saying that women should not participate when tongues and/or prophecy is being interpreted and tested (1Thess 5:19-22; 1John 4:1). This is in agreement with 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which says women should not serve as pastors and not teach or have authority over men. If women were involved in deciding whether a prophecy was truly from God, they would be disobeying what the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Therefore, Paul tells women to be silent when tongues and prophecy are being interpreted so that they will not be disobeying 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 20 Sep 2004 1:19:09 PM Close
cultureshock,

I did not know that sheeba1 and cultureshock are one person.

1 cor. 14:26 deals with details of gathering together with psalms, teachings, tongues, revelation, and interpretation. Why you left out the psalms and teachings in your exposition is beyond me. It is to 'brethren.'

In 1 Cor. 14:34 brings into focus 'women' and the subject is about 'speaking,' and 'learning.' In that context, my question is to sheeba1. Only she can help me to understand her question of 11/9/2004.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : sheeba1   View Profile   Since : 22 Sep 2004 5:40:34 AM Close
Dear George..
FYI, culture shock and sheeba1 are entirely two different person and I agree with cultureshock. This is what even I wanted to point out.
Its very well explained by cultureshock,and I have nothing more to add.
We are here to express views and not argue. You do not agree with me neither do I agree..so lets close the chapter btw us, otherwise it turns to an unwanted argument.
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Reply by : lizageorge   View Profile   Since : 30 Oct 2004 4:43:24 PM Close
WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR US TO OBEY THE WORD OF GOD. WE TRY TO BRINGOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS TAILORED TO OUR STANDPOINT AND NEEDS. AS AN EMPLOYEE OF A COMPANY WOULD YOU INTERPRET THE POLICIESOF YOUR COMPANY AS YOU FEEL ANDTHINK? IF YOU ARE ALLOTTED 30MTS. LUNCHTIMETHAT'S WHATYOU WILL TAKE. NO EXCEPTIONS THERE! THEN WHY WE TRY TO BEND THE DOCTRINES AND SCRIPTURAL TRUTHS.
WORD OF GOD SAYS WOMEN TO BE SILENT IN CHURCH. THEN WOMEN BE SILENT IN CHURCH. GOD'S PLAN AND PURPOSE FOR MAN IS TO LEAD UNDER THE HEADSHIP OF GOD ONLY. THE DIVINE ORDER IS GOD,MAN AND THEN WOMEN, NOT WOMAN,MAN AND THEN MAY BE GOD.IN A GATHERING WHERE MEN ARE PRESENT, WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT BECAUSE WHERE 2 OR 3 ARE GATHERED GOD'S PRESENCE IS THERE.WHERE GOD IS PRESENT HE HAS FULL AUTHORITY AND HEADSHIP THEN MAN AND FINALLY WOMEN.MEN HAVE THE GREAT RESPONSIBILITY TO BE WELL VERSED IN THE SCRIPTURE SO YOU CAN TEACH THEWOMEN OFYOUR FAMILY.iF YOU ARE UNABLETO DOSO,IT IS SHAMEFUL TO YOU AS SCRIPTURE SAYS.SOLET US BE VERY CAREFULIN OBEYING THE SCRIPTURE AS THE HOY SPIRIT HAS INTENDED FOR US TO.IN WORSHIPMEETINGS, EACH BROTHER IS REPRESENTING THE WHOLE ASSEMBLY.IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEMATIC FAMILYORPERSONAL WORSHIP DURING THE WEEK, OR YOUR LIFE WAS A LIVING AND INTELLIGENTSACRIFICE AS GOD HAS INTENDED(ROM.12/1-2)THEN THE SPIRITUAL REVELATIONS AND TRUTHS THAT WE INFERRED DURING OUR FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD THROUGHOUT THE WEEK WILL BE REFLECTEDIN OUR WORSHIPMEETING.ONE BROTHER OR ANOTHER WILL DEFINITELY BE REFLECTING ON YOUR THOUGHTS ANDINFERENCES AND THUS A UNITY IN WORSHIP IS MANIFESTED.SEE, SISTER! YOU NEEDN'T HAVE TO GET UPAND MAKE A PUBLIC SIGHT AND BRING SHAME TO YOUR MALE FAMILY MEMBERS AND TO THE BODY OF CHRIST.TRY THIS IT HAS NEVER FAILEDME AND IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU EITHER. AND DEAR BRETHREN, TAKE THEFULL RESPONSIBILITY OF LEARNING AND IMPARTING THESCRIPTURAL TRUTHS. GOD HAS PUT YOU IN CHARGE FOR THAT.REMEMBER, SIN ENTERED WHEN THE WORD OF GOD WAS DISOBEYED.iF A BROTHER IS NOT SO GOOD IN TEACHING, LET HIMPRAY TO GOD FOR WISDOM ASK ANOTHER BROTHERTO HELP HIM.
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Reply by : joommen   View Profile   Since : 1 Nov 2004 2:21:07 PM Close
Dear Liza George
In future could you please avoid all caps in your posting? It is very hard on the readers eyes. No offense meant.
Thanks,
J Oommen.
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Reply by : ba   View Profile   Since : 6 Jan 2005 12:50:08 PM Close
Scripture says, "Women are not to have authority over man".

Therefore, the female is to remain silent. Dont contradict the scipture, for your benefit.

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Reply by : kariachan   View Profile   Since : 14 Jun 2005 10:40:12 AM Close
Dear Brothers and Sisters<
What is this? Don't try to take brethren assembly to the dark ages. God never discriminate between man and woman. The most glorious resurrection of our Lord was first revealed to women and no man got that opportunity!! Please live as a Christian and not live between the lines. Man or woman if his/her speech is beneficial in, Holy Spirit to others ,should talk, else shut their mouth (differentiated by the fruitfulness of the content and not by Gender) that is our duty.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 15 Jun 2005 8:39:52 AM Close
Kuriachan,

If you want to discuss this subject, please start a thread in the 'General Forum.' Respect the gender and follow the policy of this forum.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : kariachan   View Profile   Since : 24 Jul 2005 11:26:49 PM Close
Sodari George P Koshy,
I am giving this thread to you free of cost , Take it and go to the General forum or where ever you like.Respect the gender and never again show up here.

Mrs. Kariachan

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Reply by : bthomas   View Profile   Since : 6 Sep 2006 12:36:16 PM Close
Catholic priests are not allowed to be married, because this was the easiest way kings in the middle ages transferd power, money and land to themselves from the church. If the priests had no children, then it would go to the king. They used the bible to justify this.

People reading scripture, taking it out of context, and making it doctrine.

Similarly, Hindus who put women down, even today, was a common practice in the days when the denomination was young. The Indian Brethren at the time did not see any problems with putting women down, and they made it doctrine. Now a days, they practice the same old cultural values, which is not Biblical.

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 6 Sep 2006 2:21:04 PM Close
Dear "bthomas",

I heitate to contribute here, but your last entry is somewhat puzzling. Do you, or do you not, accept the authority of the written Word of God? Do I gather from your inferences that you equate Hindu attitude to women to the clear instruction by the Apostle Paul to the church at Corinth, that for women to speak in the assembly was contrary to God's Word? Do you believe that Paul was just "putting women down"?

May I ask my sisters in Christ for their forbearance for asking these questions in their forum.

In Christ,

John

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Reply by : hellisreal   View Profile   Since : 6 Sep 2006 11:49:21 PM Close
i see that the question is not if a woman can speak in the church or not. we should look at the situation more widely. God has made man the head of the family, and has thus blessed him with the ability to govern and administer. Their must be some reason why Jesus chose all deciples to be men. We know that their were a handful of women who were more commited to Jesus during that period. Infact the first person to visit the tomb of Jesus in the very early morning braving the darkness and fear was a woman. And she was the one to carry the message to others that jesus is alive[salvation]. God loves both men and women alike. And may be he just wants everybody to be in their place. When we have male elders in the church i don't see any reason for a younger woman to take his position, and he must be capable enough to take the position himself so need for any woman to come forward. However, if you have a elder woman in the assembly and males are younger and not matured [spiritually] then i dont see how a young man can be leading them. Many of the reasonings has to do with the kind of culture we come from and the kind of attitudes we have. Because in the end God is looking at men and women as spirits, flesh counts for nothing, male and female in the spiritual world doesn't make a big difference, what matters in the spirit world is if we belong to God or the devil.
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Reply by : babugeorge01   View Profile   Since : 7 Sep 2006 5:41:23 AM Close
quote <<Because in the end God is looking at men and women as spirits, flesh counts for nothing, male and female in the spiritual world doesn't make a big difference, what matters in the spirit world is if we belong to God or the devil.>>
Your observation is right about the spirit world, but you agree we are not in the spirit world yet. We are born of God, but yet in the flesh. So gender does matter in the church.

quote <<In the body of Christ, God, has said that men are to assume the leadership & speaking roles. Why? I don't know. We'll have to ask God in heaven.>>

This is surprising because God has already revealed to us why he has commanded the unique roles of men and women in the church

1 Tim 2: Let the woman learn in silence with al subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Reason #1 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Reason #2 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Our Lord knew these questions will crop up in the Assembly, and so he has given a solution to this apparent problem: Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Babu George

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Reply by : babugeorge01   View Profile   Since : 7 Sep 2006 5:43:58 AM Close
Dear bthomas

quote <<The Indian Brethren at the time did not see any problems with putting women down, and they made it doctrine.>>

I need some clarification on your mention of 'PUTTING WOMEN DOWN' and 'THEY MADE IT A DOCTRINE'. How did the Assemblies put women down? And what doctrine is this you are refering to?

Babu George

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 8 Sep 2006 3:54:47 AM Close
May I sugest to "hellisreal" (What a sad username!) to go to the Moderated Forum and have a look at the thread entitled "Resurrection".

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : godsown   View Profile   Since : 9 Sep 2006 1:06:31 AM Close
I think the Bible is very clear on what the Lord expects from the women in the church. All translations; versions;languages speak the same thing. Why then should we being mere mortals twist the scriptures to suit our own understanding?

I don't believe that just any YOUNG MAN gets to become the elder of the assembly. The Lord has laid down the qualities he expects of the elders and if an elder is appointed in an assembly with the Lord's anointing why would the faithful elderly ammachis and aunties have any objections to that?

I mean if there is no competent elder to lead the assembly, would that really be an assembly. How many assemblies actually exist in such a scenario-no spiritually edified shepherd to lead the flock?

Jesus Loves Me & you too
Godsown Joe

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