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# 00073 :  Prayer
Hi! I'm new on this forum. I think this is great to be able to chat with other christian women about these topics! Any thoughts to share on prayer? My sister has recently encouraged me with the importantance of prayer in our christian lives! It is so nice to be able to pray at any time of the day, anywhere! My sister is a busy mom of 4 and she said that prayer is something she can do while she is busy at home! I've been noticing while reading through Luke recently that the Lord Jesus spent so much time in prayer. He would go alone in a mountain and pray, sometimes all night. "When God's people pray, His power is unleashed" is a quote I've read somewhere. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts! Elaine
Post by : elaine  View Profile    since : 6 Mar 2007


Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 7 Mar 2007 1:05:56 PM Close
Hi Elaine,

As you will notice I am not a woman! However I would like to welcome you and commend you on your initial post. It is a very good subject to consider, since it is a vital part of Christian life. Someone once said that prayer draws on the vast, inexhaustible reservoir of God's grace.

Perhaps you would also like to look at the "Brethren India Forum" where there are very interesting and beneficial discussions for believers.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 9 Mar 2007 11:43:07 AM Close
Thank you very much!

I have enjoyed reading the posts on the Brethren India forum!

Elaine

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 10 Mar 2007 3:56:38 AM Close
Dear Elaine,

You should also feel free to paricipate actively in discussions on the General Forum.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 13 Mar 2007 9:26:13 AM Close
Dear sis Elaine,
Greetings!
well, prayer: The word PRAYER as used in the largest sense includes all forms of communion with God; it embraces worship, praise, thanksgiving, supplication and intercession. (http://www.thebiblestudypage.com/prayer.shtml)

However, for us beleivers, we have heard atleast 3-4 sermons on prayres, and must have read atleast one book on prayers and its importance,I feel.
However, if we leave all those aside and want to say what we feel, it'll be a bit more helpful and also we can together learn, and grow in the Lord.
As beleivers, I beleive that your life-"born again life" begins with a prayer. A prayer which may be as simple as -thank you Lord for dieing for me on the Cross!
However as we grow in our Christian life, prayer becomes a not only our mode of communication to God, but a tool to live our victorious Christian life.
You know, I personally have felt, that if I sin wilfully, I feel such a sting of giulty conscience when I approach God, and we understand that we don't have the fellowship with God.Yet when we pray sincerely, repenting and accepting our mistakes, and asking for the Lord's pardon, we know that the Lord has forgiven us.
Even prayer helps us to face trials, and even Lord when we pray, He hears us and listens to our prayers, because we pray in the name of our Lord.
"in the name of our Lord" is a very important part of it as it means that it should be according to His will.
However sometimes I've seen beleivers getting depressed when their prayers are not answered. We dont realise that whatever happrns in life of beleievers in in the plan of God, and does whatever is best for us.However if we keep on praying for something which we may feel is necessarily required, however its not what God wanted, but He still does it, becoz of our persistant prayers, it really doesn't help us,as seen in the example of Israelites in the wilerness, where they wanted meat.
So indeed prayer is a very importnt part of our Christian life,whose evidence is even found in the Scriptures

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 14 Mar 2007 12:52:21 AM Close
dear sister elaine,
years back i read a great book on prayer written by the wife of a missionery,i think,william Mc donald.i wish you get a copy of that and read it.its the best book i have ever read
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Reply by : arunanair2007   View Profile   Since : 14 Mar 2007 4:58:46 AM Close
Dear Sis Elaine,

Welcome!

One of the most enjoyable things in my life after I accepted the Lord is Prayer.

For me prayer is of two types.
1) Personal 2) Corporate (with others)

1) Personal prayer
Here we spend time with God talking with him hearing with him etc. But is an unique time. We are by ourselves with God. There is nothing to hide. One need not worry about the sentences, grammar etc. Further there is no one to show off also. It can be hours, days ....etc. It is here we understand His will and learn to "pray" for various things.

2) Corporate prayer
Corporate prayer is in front of others. Here we are conscious. Many follow a pattern. But we have to pray in public too. Men are exhorted to pray lifting holy hands.

From Scripture based on my observation and understanding, these have to be very short. I have seen people pray for very long in public. Try reading the longest prayer of Jesus (Jn17)...It will just take ~ 3-4 min. ! And other were hardly a minute. However His personal prayers were very long. Nights and early mornings. So if we spent long hours with God prayers alone ...then our public prayers will be short because we are sure of what he wanted us to say and we don’t have to use unnecessary words.

Another example is Nehemiah. The short prayer recorded is so right and precise. But one should note that he had been praying for 4 months before praying that ....which means ..His prayer got refined and the plans became proper talking with God ....and then he knew when he has to talk to the King ....And then he prays ...It is short and appropriate...and effective.

Lastly I think Prayer meeting (where people meet together for praying) is also similar to personal prayer) . Here the Group is alone with God with purpose.

I am in a hurry so ...will write on this later

Bye
Aurna !

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 14 Mar 2007 7:24:12 PM Close
Prayer is something we can share our problems with God. We can sing, read bible and then pray when we are alone. You can sing and pray loud, if you want. You can find time to pray with yourown young children while you babysit them. Find time to read bible related books for young children and teach them to pray by telling them to repeat after you say.

Sunila.

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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 14 Mar 2007 8:20:41 PM Close
Thank-you! Its been so nice reading everyone's thoughts on prayer! Lots of things to think about and appreciate.

A few verses I've enjoyed from the Psalms about prayer are:

"Trust in Him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before Him..." Psalm 62:8

"I have called upon Thee, for Thou wilt hear me, O God..." Psalm 17:6

It's wonderful to be able to come to the Lord and pour out our hearts! He will hear us!

Also, I'm not sure if this is the book that was mentioned, but "How I Know God Answers Prayer" by Rosalind Goforth (missionary to China) is an excellent book!

Take Care!

Christian Love,

Elaine

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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 16 Mar 2007 11:12:33 AM Close
A nice verse about prayer to encourage us today!

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God."
Philippians 4:6

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Elaine

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 17 Mar 2007 10:11:05 AM Close
dear sis elaine,
does the book by rosalind has this incident mentioned of our sister feeling like a child in a market since she is an alien not knowing the local language,and she prays to god that she may not be cheated by the shopkeepers,and that helpless situation making her to study about prayer.if my memory serves me well,the book had ten steps or points.one point that startled me most at that time was,that we should believe to have receieved what we are praying for,and give thanks to god in advance
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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 17 Mar 2007 5:30:45 PM Close
Dear wilson609/ Elaine,

The book you mentioned earlier cannot be written by William MacDonald's wife. He is known to me rather well, and he is still unmarried and approaching ninety years old. He has never been married.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 18 Mar 2007 3:12:29 AM Close
dear bro tomj,
thank you for the clarification.i gave the book to somebody for reading and it never came back.i am desperate to get a copy of that book,hence wanted to verify from sis elaine if we are talking about the same book
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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 18 Mar 2007 10:15:02 AM Close
dear sis elaine,
i think i have found the name of the author.ROSALIND RINKER,pl check this site and get a copy" http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=0321719"
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Reply by : sammyn   View Profile   Since : 20 Mar 2007 3:42:05 PM Close
Hi Elaine, and all others

As you will gather, i'm not a woman either! Have you considered prayer in the life of the Lord Jesus. The Gospel records the Lord Jesus praying 15 times. Of the 15 times, 11 are in Lukes Gospel. This is full of lessons for us, as in Luke's Gospel He is seen as the Perfect man. He is also seen as the Dependent Man. The Lord Jesus as a man was totally dependent on God and becuase of this He is seen praying most of the times in Lukes Gospel. The Lord Jesus often escaped from the crowds to be alone to pray. Very early in the mornings He would go to a solitary place to pray. see Mark 1. Also see Isaiah 50 v4. He prayed during the day as well. He prayed at night too.
One who prays is really one who excercises faith in God. As a Man, we have no greater example than a man of faith as our Lord Jesus. Heb 12" Looking off unto Jesus, the author and finisher of faith"

The 4 "kinds" of prayer are also seen in the life of our Lord:

1- thanksgiving
2-supplication
3-prayer
4-intercession

Hope this helps
In Him
Navin

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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2007 7:29:16 PM Close
Thank you for the nice comments on prayer!

Also, thank you for the link to Rosalind Rinker's book. That does sound like a great book to read and I would love to get a copy! I'll have to check my local library to see if they have her book.

TomJ, that is so interesting that you know William MacDonald! I have enjoyed his books and think it would be wonderful to meet him and/or hear him speak in person.

Hope everyone is having a prayerful week!

Christian Love,

Elaine

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 24 Mar 2007 10:46:25 AM Close
Dear Elaine,

Yes, I consider it as a great privilege to know him. For the last 20 yrs or so we had some discussions on various subjects and occasionally discussing some issues we faced in the USA, among the Assemblies. He is a man of great insight, yet very humble. I’d say one of the most humble persons I have ever interacted with.

Those heard him speak, can tell he is indeed a godly man, and his delivery is so simple yet very fascinating. But he is no longer traveling outside the local area, barely making to the meetings on Sundays. I was talking to another Assembly member there few months ago; he said the minute he is by the pulpit we can never tell he is old or getting weaker. He sounds the same as he always has been.

One more thing about him, incase you would like to know about – Bill lived the most simple life. He lived in a rented two bedroom apartment for a long time, (even now if I am not mistaken) he possessed nothing but just books, always drove a very simple basic vehicle. He used to have an old black and white TV stuck somewhere in the corner, hardly ever watched it. If there is a modern day Apostle Paul, his name would be the first one to come to my mind.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 25 Mar 2007 7:35:22 PM Close
Hi Tom J,

Thank you for telling me about Mr.William MacDonald! Its very interesting to hear about him after reading his teachings - nice to hear such positive things as well!

What you've said about him reminds me of the Lord Jesus telling his diciples to follow His example (John 13). Sounds like Mr.MacDonald has lived his life following the Lord's example!

It's so nice to think that although I'll likely not meet him in person any time soon, someday we will meet in Heaven!

Take Care,

Elaine

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2007 10:28:32 AM Close
Dear bro Tom J,
sorry this is a bit out of the main thread, but just I wanted a tell something, bout the person in discussion.
I read a few books of William MacDonald, in my Emaus Correspondence Course materials. I seemed to have a difference in opinion in few places, like he beleived in the existance of the gifts of tongues. Another instance is, in the book of Gospl of John, where he explained the portion where the Lord was telling Nicodemus, that unless a man be born of water and Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. Here though he mentioned the fact that water some considered to the word of God, however to him, he felt that water refers to Spirit, so for highlighting the term Spirit is given twice)unless a man be born of water, even Sprit). This is also a place I disagree with him.
But on the whole his writings had been really helpful and edifying.
However I had also heard that he is in chapel. Is it true?
sincerely in Christ,
Tinka
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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2007 1:48:15 AM Close
Dear Sister Tinka

I do not think Bro. William MacDonald explicitly admits the existence of other tounges. But what he says is by the completion of the New Testament, extraordinary/miracle/sign gifts halted, but God in his sovereignty can do this miracles today also.

Quote from William MacDonald Commentary: (1 Cor. 13)

“Love will never cease. While there are prophecies (at the time of Paul), the need for such direct revelations would end when the last book of the NT was completed. Tongues were still in used in Paul's day, but they would cease in and of themselves when the sixty-six books of the Bible were finished, because they would no longer be necessary to confirm the preaching of the apostles and prophets (Heb_2:3-4). Knowledge of divine truth was being given by God to the apostles and prophets, but this would also stop when the complete body of Christian doctrine was once for all delivered.

But many devout Christians hold to the COMPLETED CANON view, believing that the purpose of the sign gifts was to confirm the preaching of the apostles before the word of God was given in final written form, and that the need for these miracle gifts passed when the NT was completed. While this second view merits serious consideration, it can hardly be proved decisively. Even if we believe that the sign gifts largely passed away at the end of the apostolic era, we cannot say with finality that God could not, if He wished, use these gifts today. Whichever view we hold, the abiding lesson is that while the gifts of the Spirit are partial and temporary, the fruit of the Spirit is eternal and is more excellent. If we practice love, it will save us from the misuse of gifts and from the strife and divisions that have arisen as a result of their abuse.”

Yours Brother in Christ

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2007 9:09:28 AM Close
Dear Tinka,

Bro. Sam B quoted Bill MacDonald’s own writings in regard to the tongues. I hope that would be sufficient to clarify his stand. In a general sense I don’t see any problem understanding the passage as such. His conclusion; “Even if we believe that the sign gifts largely passed away at the end of the apostolic era, we cannot say with finality that God could not, if He wished, use these gifts today” – is in my estimation the correct way to understand it.

The second concern; “born of water and the Spirit” – Can you quote what he has written? I will try to check his commentary. I cannot off hand remember it and I don’t have one with me to refer. May be Sam B can help us here. In any case please study that verse along with John 6:44. They establish a very critical doctrine.

Then you mentioned; “However I had also heard that he is in chapel. Is it true?”

Yes, he does attend Fairhaven Bible Chapel in San Leandro California.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2007 7:38:39 AM Close
Dear brethren,
thanks for your reply.
bro Sam,
I'll check which portion made me to beleive that he fvours that view which i say. I'll tell you later.
bro Tom,
First bro MacDonald stated that some considered the "water" to be word of God. Then he goes on to say:
here is your portion:Jn 3:5-
But water may also refer to the Holy Spirit. In Jn7:38,39, the Lord spoke of rivers of living water, and we are distinctly told that when He used the word water He was speaking of the Holy Spirit. If water means the Spirit in chap.7, why can it not have the same meaning in chap.3?If water is taken to be Spirit then it would appear on the surface that the Spirit is mentioned twice in this verse.But the woed translated "and" could just correctly have been translated "even". Thus, the verse might read,"Except a man be born of water, even the Spirit,he can not enter into the kingdom of God."
We beleive this is the correct meaning of the verse.Physical birth is not enough. There must also be spiritual birth if a man is to enter the kingdom of God.The spiritual birth is produced by the Holy Spirit of God when a person beleives on the Lord Jesus Christ.This interpretation is supported by the expression "born of the Spirit" found twice in the verses to follow(6,8).
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hence I dont agree with him, in this regard.

sincerely in Christ,
Tinka

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 2 Apr 2007 7:58:54 AM Close
bro Sam,
"While this second view merits serious consideration, it can hardly be proved decisively"
the second one was about the Eternal State, where he said that tongues continue to exist, and shall cease when we go to heaven.Atlease that is what I understood, from reading it.
So seeing his unsurety about the completed canons, he never specified as he did in the Gospel of John,-saying we beleive...
Sorry for the late reply.
thanks for everything.
God bless u,

urs in Him,
Tinka

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Reply by : atjob   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2007 8:43:06 AM Close
Hai eline
thank u for sharing the prayer request to us
God bless us
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Reply by : elaine   View Profile   Since : 5 Apr 2007 3:34:11 PM Close
Hello!

Just wanted to pass along a really nice quote! I read it in my daily planner today and thought it would be nice to post in our "Prayer" thread.

"There are four ways God answers prayers: (1) No, not yet; (2) No, I love you too much, (3) Yes, I thought you'd never ask; (4) Yes, and here's more." Anne Lewis

I have no idea who Anne Lewis is but I really liked the quote and think its very encouraging!

It is just so nice to know that even if God gives us a "No" answer to a particular prayer, it is always because He loves us SO much and has a better plan for us!

Hope everyone has a really nice Easter weekend!

Take Care,

Elaine

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