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# 07620 :  Public prayer and Private Prayer life

Would like everyone to ponder or am i alone in this?

 My public prayer during any gathering among believers and in private prayer i pray differently. In private prayer, i pray using both malayalam and english, im not worried about my vocabulary, i remain quiet sometime , i repeat sometimes the same request due to its importance, pray for mercy and forgiveness continuosly due to my sins, in between i use Jesus, sometimes Father  and sometimes in malayalam.

But in public can i pray like this? Doesnt God expect me to be same both in public and private prayer life? Am i alone or everyone have this issue? Due to this i restrain myself in praying among believers.

Post by : deepucvarghese  View Profile    since : 23 Sep 2014


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Sep 2014 12:53:04 PM Close

Dear Deepac Varghese,

When you are considering about public prayers, one of the scriptural portions to consider is 1 Corinthians 14:13-17.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 23 Sep 2014 3:19:07 PM Close

Dear Deepu C Varghese,

Whether in public or private, our prayers are never what is ought to be, and due to our weakness we do not know how to pray as we ought to. However, our feeble efforts are interceeded upon by the Spirit of God and submitted to God by the wordless groaning of the Spirit of God (see Rom 8:26). We do not hear the groaning that the Spirit of God does on our behalf, but God does.

So, do not worry if your private prayer has a more intimate style and your public prayer has a more formal style to it - God who hears them, knows yours cimcumstances. God does not expect you to have the same words in public and private. I think all believers who enter into prayer with God, do so more intimately when they are alone. God prefers the intimate prayer of His child, and that is why the Lord said, "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;.." (Matt 6:6). We are free to openly pour out our heart before God in private, without inviting the judgement and critique of fellow believers.

When we pray in public, we need to demonstrate a certain level of humility, as we are carrying the entire congregation in prayer and representing all of them before God. We need to avoid the mentality of the Pharisee in Like 18:10, who knew that the tax collector could hear his words and thus prayed in way that exalted himself and humiliated the tax collector. Those who pray in public, need to watch themselves very carefully as presenting themselves before the Judge of the Whole Earth.

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Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 24 Sep 2014 3:50:21 AM Close

Thanks for the replies from both which was really useful in my understanding.

Further would like to get clarified on other particular things regarding prayer -

" Sometimes, earlier i used to pray and also heard others pray like say " God help us to obey or give us patience".

Is not obedience which God expects from us and cannot be prayed for? like wise patience which is the fruit of the spirit?

Thank you

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 24 Sep 2014 2:06:57 PM Close

Dear Deepac Varghese,

Could you consider Ephesians 6:1; Colocssians 3:2; 3:22; 2 Thessalonians 3:14; Hebrews 11:8 (Genesis 22:18) and try to answer your question?  If you could, please post your answer.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 24 Sep 2014 6:48:06 PM Close

Hi george,

Read all the verses, but that doesnt answer what i asked. It says only that we have to obey. 

My question was whether we can pray to God in helping us to obey. Whether God will help us in obeying. Is it not our duty?

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 24 Sep 2014 7:45:06 PM Close

Dear Deepu C  Varghese,

Your latest question is different from your original posting and the title.

Anyway, to answer you latest question, let me take you to Luke 17:5-10. There we see the disciple of the Lord asking for help from Him, for increasing their faith.

On the face of it, it does seem like a reasonable request and one would be led to assume that the Lord would work some divine way of increasing the faith of the disciples. However, if we read and study His reply, which is from v6 to v10, we see that Lord did not miracoulously do something to increase their faith. He told them that, even a small faith, as small as a mustard seed is enough to uproot a tree and be planted in the sea. In Matt 17, the Lord says that small faith is sufficient to move mountains. While the disciples assumed that they were lacking a sufficent amount of faith, the Lord pointed out that He is more interested in the quality of the faith, rather that its quantity. When it comes to faith, even mustard sized, can move mountains. In other words, the disciples already had the inner spiritual capacity for the faith that would sustain them, yes even move mountains - they just were failing to see their own responsibility to use it properly.

From there, He goes on to describe how masters relate to servants. In this parable, the Lord notes that the human masters do not thank their servants for doing their work. Nor do masters oblige their servants with kindness and rewards for performing what is expected of them. They remain unprofitable servants, even when they have done all that is expected of them. By this parable, the Lord is noting that servants have to obey whatever the master commands, with no incentive or help from the master. The master has hired them, because they can do what he wants done and he expected it done with no further help from the master.

The point in the parable is this - when we respond to God, we do so as servants respond to a master. God is our heavenly master and He expects our full hearted obedience in everything He commanded. As servants, we should not expect God to miracoulously divine that obedience in us - we have to find that faith and love and obedience to our heavenly Master, within us. We have to show willingness to obey, He will not divine that willingness in us.

Having said that, we can ask the Lord for help with our weaknesses - He is not someone who is untouched with our weaknessess. He is a compassinate Master (unlike the human master in the parable) and in Him are the oceans of grace that strengthen us and propel us. But we should display a willingness to obey and to do what He commands. When we obey, His grace will help us complete and fulfill His will in our lives.

I hope this helps you with your question.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 25 Sep 2014 1:24:19 PM Close

Dear Deepuc Varghese,

I did not say that what I wrote was the answer.  I asked you to read certain verses and post your findings.  If you do that, then we could work together to learn from the Scripture what It teaches on the subject of your interest.  I will wait for your input, after reading those verses.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 26 Sep 2014 10:15:24 AM Close

Dear Moses,

Thank you,i got the answer.

Dear George,

I find that the verses you quoted encourage us to obey the Lord or we should obey Him. but praying to God for helping us to obey Him, i think Moses has rightly said. 

Thanks to both of you.

 

 

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 26 Sep 2014 12:55:29 PM Close

Dear Deepuc Varghese,

Now, please read Luke 22:40-46 and tell about what you learned from them.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 27 Sep 2014 7:46:36 AM Close

It says Jesus prayed for strength to do God's will. Likewise He asks us to pray to overcome temptation.

Now it gives a complete picture what you and Moses told. 

I think i conclude this way " We need to have willingness to obey out of love for Christ, but we need to pray for strength to overcome the temptation or anyother which are hindrances in obeying"

Thanks a lot. A great lesson to learn.

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