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# 07689 :  Seventy times seven - A thought

Mathew 18: 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Recently it struck me that this seventy times seven might have a reference to Daniel's Seventy weeks prophecy (which is also seventy times seven). Anyone reading the bible on the above passage need to forgive not 490 times but till the Daniel prophecy is fulfilled. After that i think there will not be any need of forgiveness as we cannot sin anymore.

-- Deepu

 

Post by : deepucvarghese  View Profile    since : 7 Jan 2015


Reply by : palatty   View Profile   Since : 7 Jan 2015 3:14:57 PM Close

I have a practical question on this subject. To forgive is divine and forgiveness is an essential feature in pracising Discipleship. I am now dealing with a few persons who claim themselves as believers, born again and baptised but have deceived me in money matters and now are eyeing other believers with their tricks.I understand that as a believer I am to forgive them and suffer all the losses without any retaliation.The deceivers enjoy this and other loopholes in the Scripture and continue in assembly fellowship unabatedly. Elders remain helpless because one of the culprits is an evangelist. Here, my question to the forum is this:

Is it the right of a sinner to claim forgiveness of ones' sins inumerable times when there is absolutely no sign of repentance? How should a believer react to such an unfortunate situation when the Spiritual leaders themselves are the culprits?

Paulose

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 7 Jan 2015 4:53:49 PM Close

Dear Paulose,

You have asked a good and very valid question - one that I have wrestled with myself.

I will let you know how I have dealt with it:

I have learned to view any wrong done to me, as a sin committed against the Lord. I belong to Him and He to me - so, ultimately, sin commited against a fellow believer, is sin commited against God. Once I learned to see it this way, I have had the peace and ability to forgive, even if I am suffering. I don't want to avenge a wrong, since more that me, the real aggreived Person is the Lord and He can take care of sins committed against Him. If He chooses to forgive, who am I to stand in the way? On the other hand, if He chooses to punish, I pray that He be merciful to the sinner, as He was merciful to me.

A sinner has no "claim" to forgiveness - he can only plead for mercy. And having a forgiving spirit is not contingent upon repentance. All we can do is forgive and allow the justice of the Lord Himself to make matters right in His own time.

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Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 8 Jan 2015 5:36:34 AM Close

dear brother,

i think its better to suffer silent and change the church if the leader themselves are culprits.

We can follow jesus footsteps as He suffered silently and spoke when required.

Pray God give wisdom to deal it.

Heard a incident of a preacher when his purse was stolen, he praised God that he got stolen and he didn't steal.

Its better to get hurt than hurt others. God will be with us. What more we need. we can be at peace.

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Reply by : appachan   View Profile   Since : 8 Jan 2015 5:06:53 PM Close

"I have learned to view any wrong done to me, as a sin committed against the Lord. I belong to Him and He to me - so, ultimately, sin commited against a fellow believer, is sin commited against God. Once I learned to see it this way, I have had the peace and ability to forgive, even if I am suffering. I don't want to avenge a wrong, since more that me, the real aggreived Person is the Lord and He can take care of sins committed against Him. If He chooses to forgive, who am I to stand in the way? On the other hand, if He chooses to punish, I pray that He be merciful to the sinner, as He was merciful to me.A sinner has no "claim" to forgiveness - he can only plead for mercy. And having a forgiving spirit is not contingent upon repentance. All we can do is forgive and allow the justice of the Lord Himself to make matters right in His own time."

Dear Bro Moses,
I found the above very edifyng and encouraging to me personally,It is a great solution to the problem all believers face but difficult nonetheless as our fleshly reaction is to give back in the same coin.
Dear Bro Poulose,
The below verse has helped me in similar situations, The hurt and pain caused by fellow believers does take time to heal. I have been chastened by the Lord as well where i have failed and did not realise it and the other person has quiety forgiven me or taken it to the Lord.
Phil 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 

 

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Reply by : palatty   View Profile   Since : 20 Jan 2015 11:28:06 AM Close

I am really edified and enriched by the beautiful thoughts that the posts of each one participating in this thread. I praise my Lord for the level wisdom that the Lord has so graciously bestowed upon them.

I wonder how great it would be if every thread posted in this forum had been discussed and replied with this level of understanding and the spirit of true brotherly love as is seen here.

I express my heartfelt thanks to you Brs Deepu, Mosses and Appachan.

Paulose  

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