KeralaBrethren.net
New User? Register Today!
Registered Users, LOGIN
What we believe (Eng) What we believe (Mal) About Us Contact Us
Forums Home General Forum Youth Forum Sisters Forum Archives (2005-2007) Archives (2001-2004)
Listing of Brides Listing of Grooms
Assemblies in Kerala Evangelists in India Instituitions in India
Christian Albums Christian Songs
Audio Sermons Bible Wallpapers Brethren Links KB History (Eng) KB History (Mal)

K E R A L A  B R E T H R E N
General Forum

Forums Home ::
This Message Forum is to discuss spiritual topics only. Please avoid personal or assembly matters.
Let us use this facility for our spiritual enrichment and for bringing glory to our Lord almighty.
Webmasters reserve the right to delete any topic or posting partly or completely from this forum.
View Topics :: :: Post new topic


Keralabrethren.net: General Forum: For the devil sinneth from the beginning

Post Reply
Go to bottom of the page

# 07722 :  For the devil sinneth from the beginning

1 John 3:7-8 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Reading the above passage got my attention and got a question. I understand we human beings are sinners by birth itself. Psalsm 51:5-6, Rom 5:12, 18-19, Eph 2:3 etc, and sveral other passages confirms this. Was this the case also with the devil? Per the above passage "for the devil sinneth from the beginning". Does this mean that the devil was a sinner from the orgin? Was the devil created or formed as a sinful being? I have heard that the devil (I think this is talking about Satan) was a good being and sometime later he sinned against God and fallen. Appreciate any thoguths.

Post by : tom_s  View Profile    since : 13 Feb 2015


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2015 7:09:45 PM Close

Dear 'tom_s,'

We read about different beginnings in the Scriptures.  They are not always the beginning of creation. Satan was not created as Satan or the Devil. The time Lucifer rebelled was the beginning of the Devil.

Shalom Malekim!!!

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2015 9:32:56 AM Close

Further 

As soon as God created Man, devil tempted man to disobey God. 

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : guide   View Profile   Since : 14 Feb 2015 7:21:20 PM Close
Deep, Can you substantiate your statement?
Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2015 4:20:36 AM Close

Dear Guide,

Genesis 3:1,4-5 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die:For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Bible records the first deception of satan after creation of man when the serpent tempted Eve.

-- Deepu

 

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : guide   View Profile   Since : 15 Feb 2015 12:07:01 PM Close
Dear Deepu Explain how you can conclude that"AS SOON As God created........."
Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : deepucvarghese   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2015 5:01:00 AM Close

Dear Guide,

I just used it based on the Bible sequence of events which comes immediately after creation of man. Not sure of the time gap between the events.

--Deepu

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : tom_s   View Profile   Since : 16 Feb 2015 2:50:49 PM Close

Thanks and I do not fully understand the different beginings. 

However I did search for the english word "beginning" and there are numerous occurrences. But I looked at some of the NT occurrences as below, all these passages seems to suggest that the specified incident/event from the origin or as on the first day. Not sure about the root word and its meaning.

Matt 14:30, Matt 19:4,8, Matt 24:21
Mark 1:1, Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19
Luke 24:47
John 1:1,2, John 2:11, John 6:64, John 8:44 (This is interesting as this is talking about the devil again and he was a murderer from the beginning)
Acts 1:22, Acts 11:15
Col 1:18
2 Thess 2:13
Heb 1:10
2 Pet 3:4
1 John 1:1

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 17 Feb 2015 3:48:39 PM Close

Dear 'tom_s,'

Is the "beginning" in John 1:1 and 8:44 the same?

Shalom Malekim!!!

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page

Reply by : tom_s   View Profile   Since : 18 Feb 2015 2:13:24 PM Close

George P. Koshy,

Per my plain reading of these passages, the "beginning" in John 1:1 and 8:44 are the same. What my understanding is, I am not saying that both these events are the same. Also I am not saying both these events occurred at the same time. But both these events in its own context is true from the event's origin. "In the beginning was the Word" whatever that origin is (defined or undefined and don't want to get into that subject), from that point the Word was there. Similarly (he was a murderer from the beginning) from his origin or from his creation or from his inception he was a murderer. That's the way I read and understand. And that's why my initial question.

Is the same root word used for  "beginning" in both these passages?
If so what exactly that word means in its original form?

Thanks

Go to top of the page
Go to bottom of the page


Post reply Here

please login to continue..

Registered Users, Login below:

Username Password
Problem Login?

New User? Register Now

Forgot User Name or Password? Click Here

Go to top of the page

All times are GMT -5 Hours
Forums Home ::



HOME
Back to Top