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# 07797 :  Being Christ-like

Here’s a Scriptural pattern for our admonition that I shared a while back, even relevant for today:

“And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.” (NJKV, 2 Tim 2: 24-26)

“And the Lord’s servant must not be a man of strife: he must be kind to all, ready and able to teach: he must have patience and the ability gently to correct those who oppose his message. He must always bear in mind the possibility that God will give them a different outlook, and that they may come to know the truth. They may come to their senses and be rescued from the power of the devil by the servant of the Lord and set to work for God’s purposes.” (JB Phillips, 2 Tim 2:24-26)

I like to share this passage again for our meditation and possible self-examination.  We must understand what the failure implications are.

The effectiveness of one’s faith and testimony is not in how well we speak on the podium, not in how well we use Greek & Hebrew, not in how well we can recite Scripture, not in how well we can deliver theology, not in how lengthy we can write to convince others that we know something, etc. 

Rather, it is in how well we show the Lord Jesus thru our words and works.  It is seen in our humility in how little we know what we know.  It is seen in our attitude & talk seasoned with grace.  It is seen in our realization in how much more grace is needed daily to be Christ-like.  It is seen in our willingness to pause & listen and not retort.  It is seen in our willingness to give a listening ear to others who pose questions (no matter what the true intentions might be) and in how we respond gracefully.  It is seen in how we handle every situation without buckling under pressure and getting personal.

We do not see some of our earlier contributors here.  Either they left or have become silent like me.  In my view, sometimes the site has become more of a personal blog rather than a discussion.  Discussions sometimes have become like debates.  I wonder if to some, satisfaction comes from knowing that their shout is the loudest or that they had the last passing shot (in a thread).  Being here for so long, I can say that some are maligned and ridiculed.  If nothing else, a personal screen name is used to associate them with some sort of perverted lifestyle.  Any question, phrase, words, letters, punctuation etc are put under microscopic analysis and used to denounce another’s writings.  We are too quick to pronounce someone else as heretic or unsaved, when we disagree.  In the end, we win the debate, and not win over the other person in love.

Leaders are asked to be servants.  Leadership must never be a bully pulpit for one’s personal agenda.

We become effective when we realize how little we know and how great His grace has been given to us.  We need the mind of Christ.  We need to walk as He walked.  We need to encourage others to imitate us as we imitate Christ.  We must share what we know and leave the rest to the Holy Spirt to convict.  The change happens in the heart, not in the head.  Our behavior must attract others to us, not push them away.

Last but not the least; sometimes victory comes when we just walk away from unprofitable interactions!

God Bless!

Post by : Varghese  View Profile    since : 27 Sep 2015


Reply by : rick   View Profile   Since : 28 Sep 2015 8:09:32 AM Close

Dear Varghese

I appreciate your well-written advices.  Allow me to write my opinion on the post you made.  I see from your profile that you are a very old member, having joined in 2003 but alas,your contribution was, mostly advisory notes, rather than expostions of Scriptures. Your total contribution was:

General Forum Total Topics : 6; Total Replies : 30 Youth Forum Total Topics : 0; Total Replies : 34; Sisters' Forum Total Topics : 0 Total Replies : 9 

Total 79 in 12 years which makes average of say 7 per year. 

This forum, I don't think, has ever turned discussion into debates as you opined.  There is difference between discussion and debate.  In debates, there is usually a judge who will specify the rules and time for opposing parties speaking on a topic.  That was not the case here. In discussions, the heat of arguments, rising temperaments and angry write-ups from various contributors are often seen in any Christian Board.  I see that this board is mild compared to many other boards. If one writes blogs on a subject, please do not become hindrance. It takes lot of time and effort to write long blogs. If you intend to contribute or oppose any view point on such lengthy blogs no one opposes you.  I only wish that the contributor of the lengthy blogs to acquire copyright on his valuable writings and post them on his own site or on  a Church Site. The contributions on this forum are under the mercy of webmasters.

I hope you will contribute more on participating in discussions, which are never void of provoking posts many times and learn how to fight them rather than giving advises.  By the way, was Apostle Paul a mild man ? What are your thoughts?

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?  (1 Corinthians 3:2-3)

Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? (Acts 23:3)

 

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 28 Sep 2015 11:23:39 AM Close

‘rick’s advice to Mr. Varghese: I hope you will contribute more on participating in discussions, which are never void of provoking posts many times and learn how to fight them rather than giving advises.  By the way, was Apostle Paul a mild man? What are your thoughts?

‘rick’ has advised Mr. Varghese to learn how to fight. It is understood that if posts are contributed here saying something against what he says, he will get provoked instead of being ready to correct himself. He is always ready to fight. ‘rick’ has to read Acts 23:5 to find Paul was ready to correct himself instead of fighting intensely.

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Reply by : rick   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2015 9:43:21 AM Close


"Fight" has different meanings.

Acts 23:5 comes after Acts 23:3, which shows Paul was not mild! My usage of "fight" is as in the following verses.
•I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: (1 Corinthians 9:26)
•Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. (1 Timothy 6:12)
•I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: (2 Timothy 4:7)
•Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. (Revelation 2:16)
•Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; (Ephesians 6:11-15)

It is easier to give advices than practically facing the situation. Let him enter the arena and see if it is easy to discuss spiritual matters, especially with those who teach "Conditional Security", Jehovah Witnesses, Atheists, Mormons, etc.
I saw tht it was not easy to deal with false teaching of "Sathyasnehi"

Quote: When we read these verses, we find that Hymenaeus and Alexander initially good conscience and faith and later on rejected the good science and shipwrecked their faith. They could not shipwreck what they had not. Reply by : sathyasnehi  28 Sep 2011 12:40:38 PM
Quote: What is that ‘Salem’ ‘cigarette’ nonsense’s?  Don’t write childish things.

I was wondering who was learning in these threads and many more?
http://www.keralabrethren.net/boardkb/view.asp?id=2186&forum=General
http://keralabrethren.net/boardkb/view.asp?id=2312&forum=General

 

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2015 5:50:24 PM Close

Dear 'rick'

Try to take 'varghese' comments in the right spirit, because, although he does not get in the ring often, he is appealling to show first Christ likeness over the desire to win over an 'opponent'. Often, after reading his comments, I have had to recallibrate my own responses on this forum. For that I really appreciate his scriptural penmanship.

You are correct that there is no shortage of heretical teachers in this forum and heavy emotional responses are often needed. Varghese point is that even in dealing with them, being Christlike (i.e. gracious) may win them to genuine salvation. A bitter wordy fued will possibly make such heretics only go even further from the truth, as they dig in to oppose whoever writes contrary to their own views.

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Reply by : rick   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2015 6:00:37 PM Close

Dear 'moses2006'.

You are right. Thank you and God bless you

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2015 9:30:00 AM Close

Dear ‘moses2006’

I am not sure if you are looking at Conditional Security teaching as heretical, if so a proponent of CS doctrine, as a believer in Christ does not possess a genuine salvation?

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2015 2:01:06 PM Close

Dear 'kristianjude'

The scripture in my opinion is clear on this topic - The Lord KNOWS those who are His (2 Tim 2:19), and no force can take them and seperate those whom He knows from His hands (Rom 8:35, John 10:28).

Do you think it is possible for those whom the Lord knows to be His own, to fall away, either on their own disposition or by the wiles of the devil? Do you think the Omnipotent, Omniscient Lord is going to allow that to happen? Therein lies the secret strength of eternal security of the truly saved. The Lord Himself is the auther and the finisher of their salvation. He will complete that which He Himself started.

Personally, I do not take the view that those who teach conditional security are not genuinely saved. That would be a foolish and ungodly judgement on my part to do so. There are many who are saved, who, because of their own personality traits. would rather focus on their own efforts to maintain their salvation, rather than looking at their salvation as a completed act, on the Cross of Calvary. I do not think the Lord is grieved by this focus on the self. He will have all His children come to the perfection of knowledge when He comes.

At His appearing, we all will know in full the depths of the mysteries we debate each other on this forum. Till then focus on the Lord Jesus and being like Him. That is what Varghese has exhorted us in this thread.

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2015 2:28:11 PM Close

Dear KJ [kristianjude]

It's a long time since I had any interaction with you, although ocassionally I check the forum. I have a simple question for you. 

How long have you been saved? [Approximate length is fine. I cannot really say at what age I got saved. But I do have a timeframe in my mind.] 

Tom Johns

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2015 9:50:47 AM Close

Dear ‘moses2006’

As a response to my post, you have stated that personally, you do not take the view that those who teach conditional security are not genuinely saved. This suffices to read your clear view. For the rest of the things you have written, it needs a separate discussion. 

Thanks

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2015 9:53:38 AM Close

Dear Mr. Tom Johns,

It is for about 28 years I have been saved.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2015 2:43:37 PM Close

Dear Fellow Members,

The use of the expression ‘Christ-like’ is prevalent among Christians, but we may not read that expression in the Scriptures. We accept that expression without searching the Scriptures or without a thought process. We usually accept it at its face value that is derived from similar expressions that are prevalent in the world and we are familiar with. Some of us may equate it with having the ‘mind of Christ,’ ‘being the imitators of Christ,’ or similar expressions that we could find in the Scriptures.

We read in Genesis 1:26 that God said to make man in His image and likeness. However, we read in Genesis 1:27 that God made man in His image. We read in Genesis 5:1 that God created man in His likeness. It is God who makes man in His likeness and no man could achieve that by his/her works or behavior. It is God who conform a sinner to the image of His dear Son. It is not a man who conforms himself to the image of the Son.

Those who are called saints by God are exhorted to be the imitators of Christ, imitators of God, and imitators of Paul as he is of Christ. Being the imitators or followers is not to be considered as synonymous to the image. A person could follow but he cannot be in the image of the Son, unless God made him to be so.

If we are the followers or imitators of Christ, then we should follow what He asked us to do. That includes all His commands, including a godly respect to the written Word of God. When a person shows disrespect to the Word of God, then he/she is in violation of that person’s love to God. If we love God, we will obey His commands. We could obey His commands only if we respect His words and accept them without changing. That is where we come in the realization of the Word of God—the Scriptures—being God-breathed or inspired.

A person who is a follower of Christ—the Son—will not contradict Him. A person who is a follower of Christ—the Son—will not change the inspired words in the Scriptures. I am not writing about the translated words, but the words that are God-breathed as the Scriptures were given to man.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2015 11:10:30 PM Close

Dear KJ, 

Thank you for your reply. In the past 28 years, do you think you may have lost your salvation at any time at all? 

Tom Johns

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 2 Oct 2015 9:25:05 PM Close

Dear Mr. Koshy,

Quote, "It is not a man who conforms himself to the image of the Son."

I don't think anyone in this thread stated that a man can on his own conform to the image of the Son. You are bringing in a concept that no one here discussed before you brought it up. What is discussed in this thread is an exhortation to be Christ like, which just means try to be disciple of Christ. The Lord said, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of Me.."(Matt 11:29). That is how we get to be Christ like - by taking His yoke and following His leading. When we do that, over time, we can learn how to be like Him.

How we behave in this public forum is a reflection on how much we are yoked in person to Christ.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 7 Oct 2015 5:35:08 PM Close

Dear ‘moses2006,’

I am not bringing a concept that was not discussed before on this thread. Even on the first frame of this thread, it was discussed. Even the title of this thread is ‘Being Christ-like.’ That is exactly what I wrote about. When a person conforms to another person, then the first person is trying to be like the second person.

You quoted a verse from the Scriptures and wrote the following, “"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of Me.."(Matt 11:29). That is how we get to be Christ like - by taking His yoke and following His leading. When we do that, over time, we can learn how to be like Him.” Let us look into the verse that you quoted in its context. Christ did not say anything about being His-like (Christ-like) in the verse you quoted from Matthew 11. However, He said, “and learn of Me.” You made this expression a part of your quotation, but ignored it in you zeal to contradict the Scriptures about being conformed to the image of His dear Son.

Learning of/from a person is not becoming like him. Learning of/from a person makes the learner a student, a follower, or a disciple. Becoming a disciple is not to become like the teacher. All the twelve Disciples of Christ learned from Him, but did not become like Him. One of them went after making money by betraying Him by a kiss. Another one denied that he knew Him. The rest fled from Him, though the one who loved Him came back. However, they were all His disciples who learned of/from Him. He was their Lord and teacher, but they called Him their teacher and Lord. They were not Christ-like. None of them claimed to be Christ-like as you write or imply.

You are wrong as you were when you wrote that Christ came to bury the law and the Apostle Paul was engaged in burying it. You even used Romans 10:4 to establish that teaching of yours. How true you were, when you wrote on 2 Oct 2015, “How we behave in this public forum is a reflection on how much we are yoked in person to Christ.” (You are the one who wrote about our behavior on this public Forum as a reflection of us being yoked with Christ.) Are you “yoked in person to Christ,” when you write such things as I reminded you in the first sentence of this paragraph? Are you learning from Him as you quoted from Matthew 11:29? The answer should be in the negative, in your case. You may be already Christ-like and are not in need of learning from Him!

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 9 Oct 2015 11:06:07 AM Close

None of the disciples might have claimed, perhaps verbally to be Christ-like. But for a purposeful Christian, claiming to be Christ like cannot be wrong. Paul was not crucified along with Christ on the same cross, then what is the inherent spiritual meaning of Paul’s claiming ‘I have been crucified with Christ’ (Gala 2:20)? One cannot claim being a Christ, but can endeavor to be Christ-like. Paul said ‘it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me’ and this statement exactly reflects the concept of being Christ-like. We also read in Galatians 4:14 that the believers received Paul even as Christ Jesus.

Bearing the marks of Lord Jesus in one’s body is being in Christ-likeness (Galatians 6:17).

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 16 Oct 2015 2:18:09 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

After citing Galatians 2:20, you wrote that the expression “Christ lives in me,” is what is meant by the expression ‘Christ-like.’ Christ said that He and the Father will come and reside in a believer (John 14-16). That is to say that the Father and the Son lives in a believer. He also said in the same passages that the Holy Spirit—the Comforter—will also come and reside in a believer to guide him into all truths. That is to say that the Holy Spirit is in the believer. That makes a believer to be Christ-like, if one follows your logic. Not only that—according to your logic—a believer should claim to be ‘Father-like’ and also be ‘Holy Spirit like.’

After that, you cited Galatians 4:14 and stated that the believers “received Paul even as Christ Jesus.” If the reception of a person as Christ Jesus is what makes a person ‘Christ-like,’ then what you are trying to teach is that humans have the ability to make ‘Christ-like’ persons. The Bible does not teach that, but the Roman Catholic Church as well as communities like Seventh Day Adventists propagates similar concepts.

The third and last verse that you cited was Galatians 6:17. It does not say that to be ‘Christ-like,’ a person has to have marks of Christ on his body.

By citing verses out-of-context, you tried to teach that a person could be ‘Christ-like’ while he is in this world. None of those verses teach such an idea. However, the Apostle John taught that we should know that when the Lord Jesus Christ shall appear all the children of God shall be like Christ and not before that. It is written in 1 John 3:2.

Let me ask you a question: do you read in the Scriptures that Christ was a cross dresser for a person who practices crossdressing to claim to be ‘Christ-like?’ Please answer.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 23 Oct 2015 9:53:07 AM Close

Dear Sir,

I request you to take a close look into Galatians 2:20. Christ and the Father ‘residing’ in a person is different from Paul’s expression of Christ ‘lives’ in him. The notable portion of the verse is ‘it is no longer I who live’. When a person tends to be Christ-like, he wants to be no more a self person and it makes him to stand as witness for Christ. Kindly let me know what you have understood from reading Galatians 4:14 and what is the meaning of a person having the marks of Christ on his body, if it is not being Christ like? Your question related to ‘cross dressing’ is totally irrelevant to this thread and unworthy to speak about.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Oct 2015 7:13:44 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

I took another look on Galatians 2:20. I have to say that you are not true in your explanation. Could you explain Galatians 2:20? You brought hat verse into this discussion.

You wrote, “When a person tends to be Christ-like,” then you continued, “he wants to be no more a self person and it makes him to stand as witness for Christ.” When a person stands as a witness for Christ, he is not ‘Christ-like,’ but he a witness for/of Christ. If you say that witnessing for another person makes the witness in the likeness of the person he is witnessing about. If so, then there is a logical problem. I am providing two examples:

Example 1: If Jude is testifying about Kristine in a court of law, are you saying that Jude is ‘Kristine-like’? Of course, that cannot be logically justifiable.

Example 2: If Kristine is testifying about an accident, then are you saying that Kristine is accident-like? I am not sure.

You brought Galatians 4:14 into this discussion. Therefore, it is your responsibility to explain that verse to justify your assertion. This is what I wrote on that verse, <<<“After that, you cited Galatians 4:14 and stated that the believers “received Paul even as Christ Jesus.” If the reception of a person as Christ Jesus is what makes a person ‘Christ-like,’ then what you are trying to teach is that humans have the ability to make ‘Christ-like’ persons. The Bible does not teach that, but the Roman Catholic Church as well as communities like Seventh Day Adventists propagates similar concepts.”>>> If you cannot explain what you wrote on Galatians 4:14, then what I wrote will stand as your teaching.

Please tell about the person who cross-dresses. Is he/she trying to be like the other of a different gender? Is she/he trying to be like he-like or she-like? It is relevant to this discussion, because we are discussing about being in the likeness of another person.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2015 9:46:52 AM Close

To the OTHER readers,

Standing as a witness is not as testifying in a court of law. What I have said has to be understood in spiritual sense. If we read that the Galatians received Paul even as Christ Jesus, it is clear that they looked at him as Christ Jesus. It is an evident fact that there has been a Christ-likeness in Paul.

First of all, what we should understand is, speaking of Christ-likeness is not at all a teaching to bring into the formulation of doctrine. It is only counseling for the edification of Christian. To bear the marks of Christ on one’s body means, not inscribing the name ‘Christ’ anywhere on the body like forehead etc, but he has to resemble Christ in his outward behavior (an outcome of his inner spiritual quality). This resemblance is called Christ-likeness.

To know about being in the likeness of another person, there is an appropriate scriptural passage. We read in Galatians 4:12 Paul asking ‘Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2015 5:08:40 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

Your posting of 26 Oct 2015 is not only interesting but also an eye-opening contribution about what you are holding as your faith. It appears that you are writing like Simon Magus of Samaria.

You wrote, “What I have said has to be understood in spiritual sense.” What do you mean by spiritual sense has nothing to do with the leading of the Holy Spirit, but it has the leading of some other spirit. Let me explain:

You wrote as the next sentence, “If we read that the Galatians received Paul even as Christ Jesus, it is clear that they looked at him as Christ Jesus.” When you wrote this, do you know that in your mind Paul took the place of Christ Jesus? We do not read anywhere in any of the epistles that the Apostle Paul was ever likened himself to the Lord Jesus Christ, or any of the saints at the local Ekklesia looked at him as the Lord Jesus Christ. You are trying to make Paul to be equal with the Lord.

You continued, “It is an evident fact that there has been a Christ-likeness in Paul.” The Apostle Paul did not write anywhere that he has the “Christ-likeness.” Earlier in your other postings, you denied the teachings of Christ. Now you are equating Paul to be in place of Christ, in this world.

You continued, “First of all, what we should understand is, speaking of Christ-likeness is not at all a teaching to bring into the formulation of doctrine.” When ‘varghese’ started this thread, I thought that he was writing it as his opinion and not as a teaching. Therefore, I did not respond to it. However, in recent months someone took the initiative of bringing this thread forward. I do not know who it was, but that took place more than once. Whoever brought this thread forward was making it a point that it should be considered as a teaching—doctrine. Therefore I contributed. To that only two persons responded and you are one of them. Therefore the initiative of reviving this tread by bringing it forward was done by one of you. You have already showed your determination to establish ‘Christ-like’ men as your favorite doctrine.

You finished your posting of 26 Oct 2015 by writing, “To know about being in the likeness of another person, there is an appropriate scriptural passage. We read in Galatians 4:12 Paul asking ‘Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you.” You did not quote this verse, but you cited it by pretending that what you wrote is how it is translated. I ask you to quote from the translation you use to accomplish your desire to make this a doctrinal issue.

You are a doctrinaire of this ‘Christ-like’ even by cheating by pretention. You emphasized two expression, and they are: “You to become like me” and “I Became like you.” I am asking you to quote Galatians 4:12 and let the readers read it and compare it as in KJV or in another translation.

If you were not trying to make this a doctrine, you did not have to go through this trick of bringing this thread to the forefront and citing Galatians 4:12 and writing the way you did.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 28 Oct 2015 10:44:59 AM Close

Galatians 4:12 as read in New King James Version

“Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you…”.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 29 Oct 2015 3:56:18 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

I wonder why you stopped short in quoting Galatians 4:12. Could you tell the context in which Paul wrote it? If you want to know about it, you should read the immediate verses before and after that verse. It is about laboring for the Lord Jesus Christ and not about becoming ‘Christ-like.’ It is written in 1 John 3:1-2 about when we will be like Christ.

Could you explain how Galatians 4:12 is justifying your ‘Christ-like’ teaching. In the verse you partially quoted, I read only about Paul and the saints at Galatia. I ask you to explain this dilemma of jumping from Paul and the saints at Galatia to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 30 Oct 2015 10:54:45 AM Close

Dear Sir,

At the end of your post dated 26 Oct 2015, you have asked me to quote Galatians 4:12 from the translation I use. Your question poses that as if I have translated the verse on my own, not writing from any available versions and that is the reason I quoted this verse saying ‘as read in new King James Version’ 

My purpose to quote this verse is not to explain about laboring for the Lord Jesus Christ and about becoming ‘Christ-like.’ You have used my user account name as an example with a wrong intention (declining any controversy on this, left it for your conscience) and written on 23rd that it is relevant to this discussion, because we are discussing about being in the likeness of another person. For this discussion, I have cited Galatians 4:12 as an appropriate example from within the scripture, that’s all.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 31 Oct 2015 2:13:42 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

I know that you are not capable of translating texts from Greek to English. Therefore, your first assumption is wrong.

If you cited Galatians 4:12 as an example, how is it appropriate to this discussion of being ‘Christ-like?’ I asked you to quote the verse for the purpose for the readers to know what it is about. You have not quoted that verse in its context. The verse itself continues and from KJV it is, “…; ye have not injured me at all,” and the context is about laboring and turning away from the Scriptural principles to beggarly principles. It is also about two different and distinct groups of human beings. When some say that she/he is ‘Christ-like,’ that person should remember that she/he is comparing to God and not to human. The Scripture says that the believers will be like Him at His coming to receive them to be with Him forever. Please read 1 John 3.

Your user ID is ‘kristine.’ It is significantly different from ‘Kristine,’ which is a name. Similarly, Jude is a name and your ID is not ‘Jude,’ but it is ‘kristianjude.’ What are you complaining about?

No one could be like Christ unless he/she is made to be like Him by God. Believers could be His followers or disciples and the disciples are called Christians by God. Instead of being a follower of Christ, man wants to be in His likeness, as it was the intent of the first pair of human beings—to be like God. Adam was created in the form and likeness of God, but he wanted to become like God. From Galatians you tried to justify your desire to be Christ-like. Let me tell you that the same apostle repeatedly wrote to the Christians that they should be followers of Christ. One of the references is 1 Corinthians 11. The Apostle John wrote that we will be like Him when we meet Him and not before.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 2 Nov 2015 8:30:29 AM Close

 

As I have already explained in my previous post, I have shown Galatians 4:12 as a scripturally appropriate example against the inappropriate example by Mr. George. It is not related with ‘Christ-likeness’ issue.  Mr. George need not worry and ask me to quote the verse for the purpose for the readers to know what it is about. If the OTHER readers as third party ask for explanation, I will do that.

Being ‘Christ like’ is not coveting the deity of Christ, but having the mind in Christ (Phil 2:5). What has been the mind in Christ; it is, making oneself of no reputation and taking upon him the form of servant (Phil 2:7). What Jesus has manifested is the basic character of a Christian and for this He was made in the likeness of men. When believers adopt this same character, they are made in the likeness of Him just for this cause only, and not for snatching His Lordship. Christ, for His total submission in this manner, was highly exalted (V 9). A good Christian who is submissive in the mighty hand of God will also be exalted in due time (1 Peter 5:6) and made sitting together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:6).

I am not sure whether Mr. George is born from above or not, but I am sure that he has not learnt basic truth of the scripture to apply in day to day Christian life. All his scriptural knowledge helps him only to debate, dispute and disrespect other Christians.

I am closing my entry in this thread.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 3 Nov 2015 6:33:46 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude,’ a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

You wrote, “I am not sure whether Mr. George is born from above or not, but I am sure that he has not learnt basic truth of the scripture to apply in day to day Christian life. All his scriptural knowledge helps him only to debate, dispute and disrespect other Christians” Let us fact-check these statements of yours. I did not start this ‘dispute’ as you call it. You started it. Similarly, it is you who start the disputes. If you have any doubt, check the postings you made on this Forum by contradicting the Son of God.

Philippians 2 tell us how one could be a follower of Christ and it is not about being Christ-like. Being in His likeness is stated plainly and succinctly by the Apostle John in 1 John 3. It is achieved not by man’s work, but the Lord at His coming will make all the saints of God in His likeness.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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