Since my last post in the forum was deleted on account of supposed plagiarism. (I have already mailed to the moderators the content which was posted <since I always save a draft on word> and my explanations for review). Ideally, if the people who put forth the contention had read the first line: The original article link can be accessed by clicking here>. ('Here' was linked to the website and can be checked again), they would have realised there was no infringement or plagiarism. Therefore, a valuable discussion due to some miscommunication and false accusations was closed. Anyway, hopefully the following verse taken from the scripture does not amount to any 'copyright infringement' or displeasure of people in the forum. Please note, and marked in bold: These topics mentioned are not to cause DIVISIONS as some people put it. It is for the understanding of the topic in detail and for mutual edification.
This is the KJV version of the verse:
4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
This is the Darby version of the verse:
4. For it is impossible to renew again to repentance those once enlightened, and who have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5. and have tasted the good word of God, and the works of power of the age to come,
6. and have fallen away, crucifying for themselves as they do the Son of God, and making a show of him.
I am only going to use these versions for these verses since I feel context and meaning are largely the same in all the other translations. If it is different in the other versions, we can look at it during the course of the discussion in the forum.
Let me try and put two scenarios or examples (real life) into context and see if it is applicable there. I will state here again; I am not going to name those people because this is a discussion on the topic which is the verses and not on the indivudal's character.
Years ago, there was a youngster who had come to the faith from a denominational background. He was pretty active in the gatherings and ministry. When it came time for him to settle down with a family. He pretty much went back to his denominational roots.
Question: Is this verse applicable here? If not, why? If yes also, why?
Now there is a reputed and loved elder of one church in India who had contentions with the elders of his assembly. This led to some heated arguments and he left the congregation and stopped partaking in the Lord’s ministry or worship. The question you would ask, if he was wrong or where the other wrong? I would ideally on an unbiased outlook say, all of them might have been. But the fact is, he stopped everything altogether.
Question: Is his scenario apt for this verse?
These are just two examples. I could provide more, but that would be done in due course of the discussion.
If anybody feels enlightened or has an understanding, do share your views.
- You can participate in anonymity. Even if you don’t sign off also there is no problem. Nobody is a master here nor do you need submit your birth certificate. You can participate freely.
- If your participation means answers which pertains to read the scripture, that is like a teacher who tells a child who enters his/her class telling him/her to read the textbook, all the answers are there. This is not a class room, this is not a study, this is a forum - everyone can express their understanding. If they do not have one, it is advisable to refrain from sharing anything at all.
- If anyone is not clear about what is written, let them ask for it to be clarified. Let us not judge or make stark statement and let us not get into mindless arguments on who knows what and who is the master of all the languages or the word of God in all the languages.
These are all applicable to everyone which includes me as well. So let the Lord lead the discussion and may we grow.