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# 08305 :  Future Judgments

Ref- Will there be believers in the tribulation - 

Joe, I am creating a new posting where I'd post a study [teaching] on future judgments. This seems to be most scriptural chronology of events. But when we talk about the future plans of God, we do not need to be dogmatic or debate the minute details or events. At the end, when we look back, we will realize that we did not have everything right as we fervently debated for. So, it is better not to debate much about whether it would this or that event first or last - but live our lives to the fullest anticipating the rapture at any moment [there are enough scriptures to tell us that] and the rest of the events may precede or follow as God had planned. We are called to live a godly life based on what was clearly given to us, and not to debate each other on things that are not totally revealed to us. 

You will see my earlier study on this subject in the next posting. 

Post by : tomj  View Profile    since : 25 May 2017


Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 25 May 2017 2:38:25 PM Close

FUTURE JUDGMENTS

1

JUDGEMENT            BELIEVERS’ WORKS

TIME                          BETWEEN RAPUTURE AND SECOND COMING

PLACE                        BEMA OF CHRIST

PERSONS                   BELIEVERS IN CHRIST

BASIS                         WORKS AND THE WALK OF THE CHRISTIANS

RESULTS                   REWARDS OR LOSS OF REWARDS

SCRIPTURE               1 COR 3:10-15; 2 COR 5:10

2

JUDGEMENT            OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS

TIME                          END OF TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING

PLACE                        NOT SPECIFIED

PERSONS                   BELIEVERS ON OLD TESTAMENT TIMES

BASIS                         FAITH IN GOD

RESULTS                   REWARDS

SCRIPTURE               DAN 12:1-3

3

JUDGEMENT            TRIBULATION SAINTS

TIME                          END OF TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING

PLACE                        NOT SPECIFIED – SOMEWHERE ON THE EARTH

PERSONS                   BELIEVERS OF TRIBULATION PERIOD

BASIS                         FAITH IN, AND FAITHFULNESS, TO CHRIST

RESULTS                   REIGN WITH CHRIST IN THE MILLENNIUM

SCRIPTURE               REV 20:4-6

4

JUDGEMENT            LIVING JEWS

TIME                          END OF TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING

PLACE                        WILDERNESS

PERSONS                   JEWS WHO SURVIVE THE TRIBULATION

BASIS                         FAITH IN CHRIST

RESULTS                   BELIEVERS ENTER THE KINGDOM OTHERS PURGED

SCRIPTURE               EZEKIEL 20:34-38

5

JUDGEMENT            LIVING GENTILES

TIME                          END OF TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING

PLACE                        VELLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT  - THE THRONE OF GLORY

PERSONS                   GENTILES WHO SURVIVE THE TRIBULATION

BASIS                         FAITH IN CHRIST AS PROVED BY WORKS

RESULTS                   BELIEVERS ENTER THE KINGDOM OTHERS L. OF FIRE

SCRIPTURE               JOEL 3:1-2; MATT 25-31-46

6

JUDGEMENT            SATAN AND FALLEN ANGELS

TIME                          END OF MILLENNIUM

PLACE                        NOT SPECIFIED

PERSONS                   SATAN AND HIS FOLLOWERS

BASIS                         ALLEGIENCE TO SATAN AND HIS PLANS

RESULTS                   LAKE OF FIRE

SCRIPTURE               MATT 25-41; 2 PET 2:4; JUDE 6; REV 20:10

7

JUDGEMENT            UNSAVED PEOPLE

TIME                          END OF MILLENNIUM

PLACE                        BEFORE THE WHITE THRONE

PERSONS                   UNBELIEVERS OF ALL TIMES

BASIS                         REJECTION TO GOD

RESULTS                   LAKE OF FIRE

SCRIPTURE               REV 20:11-15

P.S

Some commentators combine the judgments of OT saints and the tribulation saints into the judgment of the Jews. But it would be better to differentiate since they are recorded as separate events. It is important to note that the first three judgments that are listed above strictly deal with believers. No unbeliever present at the time of these judgments. 

Other important facts to note – The sin is already judged on the cross. Rom 8:3; Isa. 53:6; 1 Pet 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21 (He was made sin for us) 1 John 2:2 (He is the propitiation for our sins).

Another judgment is judging us, in the present life. 1 Cor. 1:31

Tom Johns

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 26 May 2017 7:13:31 AM Close

Hello Tom Johns,

Thank you for your explanation. I am not convinced about 3 and 5. And I do have scriptural reasons for the same. For the sake of not putting forth a debate that could lead to confusion. I will exercise that discussion maybe on a personal level.

I agree with you that we live a life preparing that the rapture could come any second now. So in that, we have peace with the Lord.

Regards,

Joe

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Reply by : pcc   View Profile   Since : 4 Jun 2017 4:33:03 AM Close

Lake of fire.  All unbelievers going there. We die is one judgement. Then God put them (unbelievers) in fire is another judgement.  

What kind of bodies the people will have in resurrection to  stand for eternal burning in the lake of fire?  The all loving gracious God will see

them burning in fire for eternity?!

Why hell? The unbelivers could not believe in christ because they are not the elect.  They are not drawn to accept christ.

Still eternal fire?    

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 7 Jun 2017 12:49:31 PM Close

Pcc, 

What kind of bodies the people will have in resurrection to  stand for eternal burning in the lake of fire? - We are not told how this body would be. If God can create everything out of nothing, how can we doubt God? 

The all loving gracious God will see them burning in fire for eternity?!

How can we question the wisdom of God? What is written in the Bible [I quoted the vesrses as they are] and we are not given freedom to pick and choose. 

Tom Johns

 

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