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# 08361 :  Women ministers – the evolution of the KB church

Recently I watched a live video of one of my friend’s (turned acquaintance long time back) wife being ordained as a ‘minister’ for their church. I knew my friend, and without a shadow of doubt can tell you, that he got into the ‘ministry’ because he was never academically inclined and becoming a minister (pastor) would ensure he had food on his plate.

This is where I admire the Roman Catholic institution. Don’t get me wrong, they are erroneous on all levels. What I am talking about is how they ordain ministers. It is not an easy task. I have had Roman Catholic friends who have joined the course leaving it because of it being too vigourous and one has to abstain from marriage or sex.  

Looking at the video, I don’t blame my friend. As I watched the guest minister ordain his wife and bequeath her the title based on complete misinterpretion of the scripture. I asked myself this question, why should I be surprised? The so called stalwart teachers of our own KB institution approve of ‘women elders’. There are members here who used to write (and now started again) who turned a blind eye to all this, because when things are higher up the ladder, the birds mingle together quite well.

The Lord will not be mocked. There were many times when I was asked why I don’t send my wife for ‘women related’ conferences. There are three reasons for it.

  • She is not interested
  • As a husband and head of the house, it is my duty to teach her the ways of the Lord
  • Conferences are a sham which only serves the purpose of gossip and other uninspiring traits

I am yet to hear about a sister who have become the epitome of the good wife/sister after coming out of these conferences. But I have heard, how husbands now deal with a more painful wife after these sessions.

So, we see a will and need to ordain women ministers and elders even in the KB community. The sham has to go on. Let me give you all an example.  

There was a foreign conference held sometime last year under a lot of questionable circumstances and finances. It was attended by many misinformed teachers and evangelists (one of them keeps talking about how everyone touches his feet, I digress). It was promoted with so much fan fare that even the promotion of Avengers: Infinity War pale in comparison to it. The most integral aspect of this conference was the declaration of the promotiong evangelist’s daughter as a bible teacher and minister. Mind you, the conference was attended by professors in brethren and doctrine theology, who turned a blind eye to all this. Of course, they must. How else would they eat and survive if they don’t subscribe to the views on equality in today’s day and age?

To all of them, there are 5 points I have listed below. You can take it and grow up. Or, you can wait for the Lord to ask you.

  1. The scripture has clear guidelines on what the role of women are. Don’t add to it based on whatever you want
  2. Please don’t misinterpret the scripture to make everyone inclusive. Salvation is all inclusive, but it is for people who believe
  3. Your punishment is more than of a normal believer because you handle the word of God
  4. If you live of the gospel, then the Lord has set you in one place. He knows how to get His word around.
  5. Stop thinking that the church cannot survive without money. The church is not a building or a fancy hall. It is about 2-3 gathering in His name.

One day, you may stop, or you will be stop. The latter is from the Lord, it is wise not to fall in His hands.





Post by : paizanjoe  View Profile    since : 10 Mar 2018

Reply by : critic   View Profile   Since : 10 Mar 2018 3:20:21 PM Close
Although officially non-ordained sisters governed bethren church even from old. In many churches elders are controlled by wives. And the opinion is embroyed from there. A professor who recently died wrote 68 articles in a pink brethren publication titled "Sahodarimar sabhayil oru mouna bhooripakshamo" meaning ' Are sisters a silent majority in the church'. Ofcourse in the latter days he was out of his mind.
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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 12 Mar 2018 7:07:35 AM Close


I really do not know which community you belong to. But there is no such thing as 'ordain' in the scripture for the believers after the apostles and prophets. If there is something to be ordained, it was done by the Lord when he ordained as priests and people of the living God. 

There are people who would write otherwise, they are not only wrong but have made the grace of God invalid. It is like some who say that salvation can be lost. Then you should ask yourself the question, then why believe? It's a vicious loop that some ill-advised members have had the privilege to step into. 

If you are not from the KB community, it would be wise not to pinpoint and condemn.



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Reply by : critic   View Profile   Since : 12 Mar 2018 10:09:37 AM Close
Paizan, I think you are ignorant of many practises in kb community. Elders majority nominate another new elder, name him the church and then they present him on a sunday and senior most elder pray asking the assembly to stand up. What is this processcalled
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Reply by : critic   View Profile   Since : 12 Mar 2018 10:12:42 AM Close
An infant baby when brought to church for first time, senior most elder if he cannot carry the baby, touch the babyand pray. What is this called? Usually the infant baby family distribute sweets after this.
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Reply by : critic   View Profile   Since : 12 Mar 2018 10:15:56 AM Close
There are cases where an elder lost his eldership because majority elders expressed non confidence in him (not based on scripture). It is all a clique now.
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Reply by : appachan   View Profile   Since : 12 Mar 2018 12:00:51 PM Close

I have never heard of a sister being ordained a minister/elder in a kerala brethren assembly worldwide my entire life, it might be an exception if it happened, rather than a rule , as each assembly is independent.

Nothing wrong or unscriptural in celebrating an infant's birth with sweets. Elder or any member praying for the newborn is a good thing, don't see any issue here either, ps 127: 3-5 Children are a heritage from the LORD, offspring a reward from him. 4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. 5 Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.

Nothing wrong or unscriptural in majority of elders removing another elder , happens all the time due to various reasons. There are cases of elders becoming incapacitated due to dementia/stroke/heart attack and therefore not able to shepherd anymore , other elders thank them in absentia and  remove them from as they cannot step down anymore  and may or may not appoint another elder. Elders fall too and therefore either need to step down or be removed, The rules are same for them as other assembly members. 1 Timothy 3:1-16 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? .................

Hebrews 13:17  Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 13 Mar 2018 5:12:16 AM Close


I am not ignorant of the practices that are followed in the KB community. I was once a part of it for a good number of years. I have stood against almost all their illogical practices.

For e.g. there are many who celebrate Christmas and Easter. Some of them reason that it gives them a way to share the gospel with people. I am always surprised with this answer because I am still to see unbelievers in these gatherings that they conduct. There was this lady in my church who once came up to me and handed me a Christmas card. Mind you she is a believer and a theologian doing advance studies on the middle east. I explicitly told her I don’t believe or celebrate Christmas, she was surprised. I was more surprised because as a believer and educated woman, she really did believe Christ was born on some pagan date of the west. I always tell people that your testimony is not of adjustment and compromise. The Lord did not compromise with His son, how can you compromise with the message of His gospel? It is more powerful and you get a bigger opportunity when as a Christian you avoid celebrating paganism and tell people you don’t because people will ask you why not? And that is where God’s opening to share the gospel is, not by replying back in the positive and then sending them some tract, whatever you reply  via compromise or diplomacy is a wasted effort.

Now on to the point, if people have not seen the fallacies in today’s KB community practices, they either want to be ignorant or live under a rock. I think the former is the more acceptable reason.

With regards to practices concerning elders or women elders (now since we have ‘evolved’, please note I don't believe or support it), one has to be very careful on how the word of God is interpreted.

A testimony of a believer is a believer and his/her alone. You stand in front of the judgement, not the overseer. The overseer testimony is subject to what his life was about. If it was poor, whatever he says stands voids in the court of the Lord.

Your submission to an overseer or someone older to you comes out of his/her demonstration of faith and example. The new testament is pretty clear about who to follow and what to follow.

There is no biblical context for the blessing of the child in the NT. All children are a blessing of the Lord. There is no need for a ‘special’ blessing or 'sweets' to be distributed, till the child grows to a discernible age, his/her guidance comes from his parents in the ways of the Lord. Who knows? If one’s child (God forbid) turns to be viler than the unbeliever around him/her, what was the point of the ‘laying of hands’? So, don’t give it precedence over what a parent must do.

Elders don’t decide which elder should be relieved. It is the church that should take a call. For illustration, you can take the context of how believers chose the seven in Acts. In addition to this when Paul asked Timothy to select elders and deacons, he was to take them based on various qualifications. These qualifications could only be met when one talks to the church and they bear testimony of those wish to become an elder. Today, that does not happen. I know of an affluent brother in the middle east who speaks of gentleness, compassion and humility and does not go a day without abusing his workers, believers and unbeliever alike. Incidentally, he is an elder and close confidante of the ‘big writers’ in this forum.

It is correct that in most KB community, women rule the roost. I know of many cases where the brothers really do not have say in anything. There are brothers I meet for worship regularly.  I feel sympathy for them since their wives lead the conversation and decisions. The wives also know all the ‘famous brothers’ in the community, some of them are even related to them which makes them even more powerful. To say these people don’t rule the church is like me saying I have lost my eyesight in these matters.

To end, Critic, my question (let me rephrase it) is this, are you from the KB community? If not, then it is wise for you not to come and start pinpointing mistakes. If yes, then go ahead.



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Reply by : critic   View Profile   Since : 14 Mar 2018 1:45:47 AM Close
Well said Paizan
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