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# 08369 :  Did Jesus of Nazareth Claim His Deity?

Dear Readers,

 

There are many groups, that claim to be Christians, deny the deity of Christ—Jesus of Nazareth. On this thread, we are looking into this subject as a discussion from the Scriptures—the Bible.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

Post by : George P. Koshy  View Profile    since : 17 May 2018


Reply by : appachan   View Profile   Since : 18 May 2018 11:38:50 AM Close

Brother,
It is a sad that there are people  who call themselves Christians and deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
scriptures are very clear on deniers(liars) Genesis starts with God hating lies(first sin) and Revelation also ends with God hating lies/liars(last sin mentioned in Bible).
1 John 2:22 
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ This is the true God and eternal life.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form...

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 18 May 2018 10:22:00 PM Close

Dear brother Koshy, 

Let me post few points in a study format. Hope this will suppliment your writings. 

 

TRAITS UNIQUE TO GOD & JESUS

As the creator –

God the Father – creator

Gen 1:1; Ps 102:25; Isa 44:24.

Ps 102:25 -“Of old You founded the earth,

And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Isa 44:24 - Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb,

“I, the Lord, am the maker of all things,
Stretching out the heavens by Myself
And spreading out the earth [s]all alone, [see verses below]

Jesus the Son – as the creator

John 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb.1:2, 10

John 1:3 -He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:13-23

13 [t]For He [Father] rescued us from the [u]domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of [v]His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 [w]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16 For [x]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He [y]is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.19 For [aa]it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the [ab]fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in [ac]heaven.

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23 if indeed you continue in [ad]the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, [ae]was made a [af]minister.

As the first & the last

 God – Isa 44:6 [quoted above]

Jesus -  Rev 1:17; 22:12-13

Rev 1:17 -  When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,18 and the living One; and I [l]was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. 

Rev 22:12-13 Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man [g]according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Lord of Lords

God- Deut 10:17; Ps 136:3

Deut 10:17 - For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

Ps 136:3 - Give thanks to the Lord of lords,

For His lovingkindness is everlasting.

Jesus –  1 Tim 6:15; Rev 17:14; 19:16

1 Tim 6:15 - which He will [j]bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of [k]kings and Lord of [l]lords.

Rev 17:14 - These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.

Rev 19:6 - And on His [the One whose robe has the stain of blood] robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Unchanging & eternal

God – Ps 90:2; 102:26-27; Mal 3:6

Jesus –   John 8:58; Col 1:17; Heb. 1:11-12; 13:8

Judge of all people

God – Gen 18:25; Ps 94:2; 96:13; 98:9

Jesus – John 5:22; Acts 17:31; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim 4:1

The only Savior

God – Isa 43:11; 45:21-22; Hosea 13:4

Jesus – John 4:42; Acts 4:12; Titus 2:13; 1 John 4:14

Contd. [TRAITS UNIQUE TO GOD & JESUS CHRIST.]

Redeems from their sins –

God – Exodus 19:5; Ps 130:7-8; Ezekiel 37:23.

Jesus – Titus 2:14

Hears & answers prayers of those who call on Him.

God – Ps 86:5-8; Isa 55:6-7; Jer. 33:3; Joel 2:32

Jesus – John14:14; Rom 10:12-13; 1 Cor. 1:2; 2Cor. 12:8-9

Has divine glory

God – Isa 42:8 & 48:11

Jesus – John 17:5 ‘the glory I had with you before the world was created.’

Worshipped by angels.

God – Ps 97:7

Jesus – Heb. 1:6

I pray that this would be a study tool to understand this subject. And this is one of the most important doctrines every Christian should understand. 

Tom Johns

 

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 May 2018 4:18:50 PM Close

Dear ‘appachan,’ and Tom,

 

Thank you for your contributions. They are appreciated.

 

I have a simple question to brother Tom: In your posting there are certain marks within square brackets. For example, under Isaiah 44:24, there is a mark “[s].” Similar marks are at other places, also. Could you explain them? It will help me.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 22 May 2018 1:09:34 PM Close
Touching on [s] opens Biblegateway's website
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 May 2018 7:11:44 PM Close

Dear Readers,

 

What do we learn from the spoken words of Jesus of Nazareth that are given to us as the first written words from Him?

 

The first statement of the Lord, as recorded for us is seen in Luke 2:49, “Why is it that you have sought Me? Did you not know that I ought to be occupied in My Father’s business?

 

Please try to answer the opening question, while remembering the following:

1.      He made this statement at the age of 12;

2.      Twelve is the age when a Jewish child began to come to Jerusalem;

3.      Twelve was the age at which the ‘Great School of Rabbis’ was opened to Him to take part in their discussions;

4.       He was at the temple hearing the teachers of the Jews and asking them questions;

5.      Those who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers;

6.      His answer to His parents—especially to His mother—was to correct a legally correct statement, that was not true;

7.      It was given to Mary who knew the truth, but understood not.

 

Please post your findings.

 

The following Scriptures may help you in your study:

Psalm 40:5-11

Matthew 16:21; 26:54

Mark 8:31

Luke 4:43; 9:23; 13:33; 24:7, 26, 46

John 3:14; 4:4; 12, 34

 

When we read the first spoken word as written in the Word of God in Luke 2:49, we read the last word on His accomplished work, “It is finished,” while He was on the cross.

 

We also read the first official word, as the Son of Man, in Matthew 4 and Luke 4, “It is written.”

 

I will wait for your contributions that are pertaining to the topic as stated on the topic of this thread.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 23 May 2018 10:23:50 PM Close

Dear Bro. Koshy, 

[s] or any such letters are point of reference in the Bible program that I was copying the verses. Those do not do anything here, but in the original Bible program we can click on and get additional information. 

Tom Johns

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 31 May 2018 2:11:39 PM Close

Dear Readers,

 

This is the first written statement from the Lord Jesus Christ about His deity.

 

However, some are ready and willing to make statements that He did not claim His deity; and many believers, even in the assembly, repeat after them.

 

There are other statements from our Lord Jesus Christ about His deity, as they are written in the Bible. The word, ‘Written,” when used is a clear indication about the inspiration, as well as the immutability and inerrancy of those statements.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 7 Jun 2018 7:24:49 PM Close

Dear Readers,

 

Another written statement about the Lord claiming deity is in Matthew 4 and Luke 4. In these written statements, Christ claimed His deity to Satan, while in the former time (Luke 2) it was to His human parents in the presence of the Jewish teachers.

 

However, some are ready and willing to make statements that He did not claim His deity; and many believers, even in the local assemblies, repeat after them.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : appachan   View Profile   Since : 8 Jun 2018 11:43:59 AM Close

Q.In John 8:59,  why would the pharisees pick up stones to throw at Jesus?
Ans. The Lord Jesus said “I AM” .Seven times The Lord says "I AM" . In the Bible only God uses that phrase(Ex 3:14) , Therefore Lord jesus is the Great "I AM" confirming his deity. The pharisees who the Lord commends for doctrine(whatsoever they bid observe...Matt 23:3) understood exactly what the Lord jesus meant and wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God.

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 8 Jun 2018 3:33:28 PM Close

John 10:30: I and the Father are one. How can anyone who reads this and calls himself a believer make statements that Jesus did not claim His deity?! I find that hard to believe.

If there is any doubt in anyone's mind about what Jesus was saying in v30, let him know that the Jews who heard him had no doubts. They were ready to stone the Lord for His claim of being deity!

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2018 8:51:27 AM Close

There is no question in the mind of a believer (Christian believer to be specific) on the deity of Christ and his proclamation. Nobody contests that, not even the Pope for the matter, every denominational Christian accepts that he is the son of God. Their ways and doctrines might be wrong, but this is one thing that binds all of them because all the accept that he is the Son of God and hence, God. Whether they believe or have faith is another topic altogether.

To think or assume otherwise does not make one a believer, he/she is of a different faith.  Believers who raise such topics in discussions are just doing it for attention to themselves. 

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