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# 01011 :  Chennai Corporate Worship
Recently I received a Card. Stating that . In chennai . All the brethren assemblies decided to have a "Chennai Corporate Worship" on Sunday morning...

First I was shoked by listening to this.

Then I Turned to God and spent time in prayer. These kinds of changes. Evil thaughts will come in the Church.

What is your responce.,

Post by : sudheer1  View Profile    since : 29 Nov 2006


Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 2:50:24 AM Close
Dear Br. Sudheer1

I am quoting a passage from the scripture which will make you much more shocking the Revelation to John in the Island of Patmos
A corporate worship in heaven
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Dont get shocked for small things, well in heaven when all the saints, through out the Globe can worship God face to face, why cant all the chennai assembly believers come all together and worship him or adore him, praise him , break the bread by faith all together one day when they are in this world, it will be a time for all the brethren over there to know each other ,interact and glorify the Lord.

Yours in Christ
nelnob1

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 4:29:02 AM Close
Ah!

It doesnt made me shock as u mentioned. What mentioned in Revelation is under the total guidance of Lord JEsus Christ. And HE will be there in the center as LAMB

Here it is to Project few leaders in Chennai as They are dictators{That's going to be the AGENDA of it}

On that day will they allow every one to worship One by One as God commanded in Corinthains.

And Every leader will sit until every other finishes.

Where as in heaven, we all worship together, which was not recommended on earth.Earth policy according to Bible is One by One as a Assembly.


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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 4:32:56 AM Close
, it will be a time for all the brethren over there to know each other..

Every bretheren in chennai know other, When ever other brother of chennai appears. There will be GOSSIP and political discussion, not knowing each other.

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Reply by : thomasdelhi   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 4:57:22 AM Close
brother,

Different assemblies gathering together for worship is not bad as such. It would be nice if all the believers in the world can come together for worship but that is not practical.

if believers behave like unsaved then that is a different issue.

Try to find those who share the burden and pray together.

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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 5:13:14 AM Close
Dear br.Sudheer1 in Christ,

Well I guess your reply comes with an envy starting with Ah, we have no right to call any of our brethren a foul name, if we feel the brother is not in lieu with the word of God, please do pray for him or them , the word of God is clear regarding the respect for those who lead us the elders. If they are not worthy God will act accordingly. Whats going to happen in heaven is real and what is happening in this world is a shadow of what is going to happen in heaven,here we worship by breaking the bread and drinking of wine by remembering the sacrifice of my savior Lord Jesus Christ, which is his command to proclaim his death till he comes, and when he comes we will be worshipping him face to face, if we are not perfect in this world in honouring the command how can we expect a perfect worship in heaven. Please dont worry about the combined assemblies worship to be held at chennai, if you feel it is a pomp and show and a venue for gossips , there is no place for spirtual atmosphere , avoid it,it happens in every part of the world, to show thier valuable assets, car and dresses, but please dont get annoyed in Christian love.But there is no harm in having a joint convention and common assemblies worship if it is meant to with true spirit.

Yours in Christ
nelnob1

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 29 Nov 2006 5:21:34 AM Close
thank you nelnob1 for u r post

Ah,

Is not for the envy about the bretheren here.

Ah Is for the comparing Two opposite worships.

Devil is counterfeit of what reality is ...

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2006 3:07:24 AM Close
I have been to chennai sometime back. Since i was not very familiar with chennai, i went to a brethren assembly on sunday for worship. when i reached the place only, i came to know - there are two worships in the same building. I was confused, to go where? i also came to know, the two gatherings dont talk with each other.
Corporate worship is a good idea, if this can make believers to talk with each other.
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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2006 3:19:33 AM Close
Dear br.kumanadan

Not only in chennai, its more in number in Kerala and in various parts of the world. Why this divisions and partitions i.e for we each and everyone to realize and pray, b'coz satan is much more active in beleivers.We have given room for it.


Let us keep all this things in prayer

Yours in Christ
nelnob1

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2006 5:13:02 AM Close
Dea br.Nelnob
i agree with you, 100%
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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 4 Dec 2006 2:35:14 AM Close
have been to chennai sometime back. Since i was not very familiar with chennai, i went to a brethren assembly on sunday for worship. when i reached the place only, i came to know - there are two worships in the same building. I was confused, to go where?

i also came to know, the two gatherings dont talk with each other.

Brother you said they wont talk each other, How come Corporate worship will help to make them talk to each other..


Corporate worship is a good idea, if this can make believers to talk with each other.

I beleive that Corporate worship is a devil's IDEA.

I am seriously seeking Gods guidance in this. whether to participate in corporate worship or not. But my thaughts are not supporting to Corporate worship.Still it was not annouced in my local church but they received invitation,. May be bretrhern in assembly also seeking Gods Guidance... in that...

Bible Asking us to spread . But we are Trying to BIND.

BINDING IS DEVILS WORK . Oneness is differnt and Binding is different. Oneness is the work of Anointing of Holy Spirit.
Binding is work of the DEVIL

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 4 Dec 2006 3:03:33 AM Close
Dear Sudhir

If your assmebly got just invitation and is not part of the corporate organisers, who is conducting it?

In kerala we have the coroprate worship at Kumbanad GENERAL Convention and Kottayam Tirunakkara Convention. Nearby assemblies shut down on that sunday, ofcourse nearby assemblies have no say in the matter.
These conventions are like temple festivals, they are conducted on the same dates every year. Now large scale preparation is going on for Kumbanad convention which starts on 31st Dec. Already a press note is issued to the effect that preparations are in progress.

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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 4 Dec 2006 5:02:23 AM Close
Dear brethren in Christ,
Let us not Judge each other,for the word of God clearly states in the scriptures,
James 4:11
11Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 5:9
9Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 Corinthians 6
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Let us examine ourselves are we on the wrong side , let us not blame others , when we point a finger to someone the remaining four fingers points us. Let us be submissive in God word
Yours in Christ
nelnob1



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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 5 Dec 2006 12:42:15 AM Close
If your assmebly got just invitation and is not part of the corporate organisers, who is conducting it?

Few bretehren formed as a comitee. If we call and ask one brother he says that Other brother name and he given an idea. and we are arranging.

By this what i understand is
Inside the formed comitee for this doesnt have proper understanding why they are conducting

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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 5 Dec 2006 1:45:04 AM Close
Dear Brethren in Christ


Br. Sudheer1,

We those who are in this thread will be praying for sure that there may be spiritual oneness in the place you are , but of course in a big gathering everyone cannot be entertained , time has to be maintained. And of course when a big gathering is organised it needs alot of home work and planning to get in functioned, in all parts of the world we do have this types of common meeting of saints once in two or three years and we havent felt any type of confusion, even though we dont know each other. Let us pray that the born again saints throughout the world may have one mind and one spirit.


yours in christ
nelnob1

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Reply by : godsown   View Profile   Since : 5 Dec 2006 6:12:12 AM Close
Dear friends,

I'm sorry if I sound out of place...but what is corporate worship? Is it something like a common gathering, or a conference meeting, or a convention?

I ask this question out of genuine ignorance..

Jesus loves you & me...

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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 5 Dec 2006 6:22:37 AM Close
Dear br.godsown

Br.sudheer1 might be able to answer you more exactly,but If I am not mistaken , I shall illustrate with an example. Have you heard of convention held at Kumbanad, sure you might have, three to four days conventions and it ends up with the sunday worship meeting. And on this particular sunday the assemblies in and around kumbanad the believers come together break the bread and participate in the Lords supper together, might be some local assemblies as a whole go to Kumbanad , or whoever can, there is no restriction, and this type of general gettogether of all the assemblies in chennai ,I presume is organised for the first time in which has made much of a misunderstanding.

Br. Sudheer1 might clear for you if I am wrong


Yours in Christ
nelnob1

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 6 Dec 2006 3:12:50 AM Close
at Kumbanad,
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Three to four days conventions and it ends up with the sunday worship meeting.

At chennai.
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One day (i.e On sunday) all asemblies gathered together for worship MEeting.

In Bakth singh Assemblies previously we used to see some thing like Holy Convocation. Now they decreased the number of holy convocations. But they are conducting here and there based on local assembly decision.

As per chennai calender it is a one day WOrship Time--------> Who ever participating they may close the worship place.

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 6 Dec 2006 3:13:43 AM Close
As per chennai calender it is a one day WOrship Time--------> Who ever participating they may all gather at one place and close the local assemblies on that Day
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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 6 Dec 2006 5:37:58 AM Close
As the organisors with drawn the Plan of conducting such thing so Called "Corporate WORSHIP"

we will stop talking about this...

by Dec 15 If no much responces i am going to delete this topic.

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Reply by : bthomas   View Profile   Since : 7 Dec 2006 2:49:25 PM Close
sudheer1 ,
People like you create division. Instead of praising God for the unity showed by the believers, you are against it. Makes no sense.

We should all pray for people like sudheer1, so they can be open minded, and take a verse from the Bible and create doctrine out of it.

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 7 Dec 2006 10:17:21 PM Close
Thanks for u r opinion.

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Reply by : sudheer1   View Profile   Since : 8 Dec 2006 12:39:59 AM Close
Instead of praising God for the unity showed by the believers, you are against it. Makes no sense.

At which place "the unity showed by the beleivers"

And I Am against it

"you are against it"

Be specific.

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 8 Dec 2006 5:08:59 AM Close
Kumbanad GENERAL Convention is a week long actvity. This year it starts on 31st Dec 06, which is a sunday. Because by custom 31st night should be at Kumbanad ground. This is practised for quite long when the 'watch night service' was copied by brethren from the west and from episcopal churches. (Formerly, brethren in kerala used to reckon Malayalam Calendar and year-end meetings were conducted in 'Karkidakam' which is the last month of malayalam calendar.)
On the last sunday at Kumbanad we expect a gathering of over 10,000 people. It is a good occassion to see many brethren from central travancore, pay subscriptions for magazines, buy music CDs and books, and more than that many local matrimonial alliances are struck during the week long activity.
Really, the messages at the convention and corporate worship are all not taken very seriously by the participants, these are secondary to other activities.
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Reply by : witness2007   View Profile   Since : 1 Nov 2007 2:44:28 PM Close
You cannot call yourself a believer and be against a gospel convention where the gospel is preached and Word of God is honored. Please pray for the convention if you are not going to it. The Word of God will be preached there and the Spirit of God will work in the lives of those attending. Of course you may not agree with everything there. But you can praise God that the Word of God is being preached.
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Reply by : witness2007   View Profile   Since : 1 Nov 2007 2:47:51 PM Close
Even in the days of Apostle Paul, some preached Christ out of selfish ambition. But Paul rejoiced saying that the result is still that Christ is being proclaimed! "What is the result? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is being proclaimed, and in this I rejoice." Phil 1. So we should have a similar attitude.
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