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# 01350 :  Why Cast Ye The Pearls
The brethren who have been making serious contributions on this form for months -- or even years -- are wasting a lot of time casting their pearls in front of swine.

Worse, one of these characters uses a different name but I am amazed that you brethren have not spotted the spirit of MagaLogos in him.

Johnson C. Philip

Post by : drjcp  View Profile    since : 17 Aug 2007


Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 12:57:13 PM Close
I forgot to mention in the fist post that the people whom I identified in the first post of this thread would identify themselves clearly in this thread by writing abusively against me. So "he who reads, let him discern"

Johnson C. Philip
www.ApologeticsWiki.com

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 1:49:40 PM Close
Dear Johnson C. Philip,

It is true that we should not cast pearl before swines, but we have to feed the sheep.

It is also true that the big-words in the English language have crept into the administration of the law.

I hope you and all will have a good week-end.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 4:48:04 PM Close
Dear brother Johnson Philip,

You are right. We should not seek to reason or coax persons like John Kurien indefinitely to come to an admission of sin. On the other hand we have a responsibility on this Forum which is to all intents, a public place, to state the truth in an uncompromising manner. That is what I sought to do.

The spurious offer that this man made to "extend the hand of fellowship" to me unconditionally clearly demonstrates his utter lack of appreciation of sin. In the face of clear delineation of statements that were inherently false and evil he did not even see fit to attempt an explanation far less an apology. That is very serious. It was sin in its abhorrent nature, to God, that made it necessary for Jesus to go to the cross and lie in the tomb. People who gloss over sin, in whatever form, lack an understanding of Christ's atoning sufferings. We cannot have fellowship with those who continue on an evil path and refuse to take account of sin in their words and motives. To do so would be to condone their evil ways. The fact that he wanted "to extend the hand of fellowship" to me showed that he actually knew and tacitly admitted that there was nothing on my side that would prevent him from doing so.

It is most damaging to the testimony to have people like John Kurien spouting out vile accusations against God's elect, while at the same time claiming Christian ground for themselves. I would plead with the webmaster(s) most urgently to take all possible steps to preclude and eradicate the contributions of this man and his ilk from a Forum that otherwise can be a vehicle of blessing.

I thoroughly agree that we should henceforth ignore all the posts that are characterised by this evil spirit.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 8:29:14 PM Close
had john kurien started the discussion,taking one after the other eight plus one questions put forward straightaway, instead of insisting his questions being answered first, and using bombastic words(kadichal pottatha)( languages of other spaces,which he said he comes from), all this could have been avoided
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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 10:41:16 PM Close
Thanks brethren for your comments. Yes, we do have a responsibility to protect the innocent from the swine who rejoice in playing with the refuse of everything.

Unfortunately, the swine this time are persistent in the spirit of MegaLogos (the loud mouth) which works against all the received truth.

I am sure they are watching this thread. You can recognize them as soon as they strike against this thread.

Also, those brethren in this forum who have been protecting the criminals against any kind censoring, those who vex eloquent in favour of the guerillas and masked hoodlums on this forum, let me remind you: "when we have friends like you we do not need enemies like MegaLogos"

Johnson C. Philip
www.ApologeticsWiki.Com

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Reply by : ageorge1   View Profile   Since : 17 Aug 2007 11:58:38 PM Close

Dear Br.Johnson C. Philip

Quote

"The brethren who have been making serious contributions on this form for months -- or even years -- are wasting a lot of time casting their pearls in front of swine.

Worse, one of these characters uses a different name but I am amazed that you brethren have not spotted the spirit of MagaLogos in him "

You will appreciate that in some of my post I had hinded about the same. I donot know whether you are noticed or not.

Further, I feel he is the same as of Elf-Asura, Magalogos, then comes to as John Kurien and finally displayed as John Kurien1. The writings and contents are the same virtue and same arrogance.

Thank you for pointing out the correct spot of the strange id with strange behaviour of the person in question here in a christian forum like this having unique at all the time. Such should not be encouraged rather to be discouraged.

Regards,

A.George

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Reply by : johnkurien1   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 1:05:28 AM Close
JCP
How long have you been able to recognise swine? I am sure you are able to do so because you have some alikeness in that nature? Birds of a feather flock together and use the same language though it sounds scriptural.
Do you want a slanging match?
Do you like to use "hate speech"?
Haven't you seen it working on both sides - you and your "brothers" who abuse and insult and those whom you claim have given it back to you in like?
In what way are you different from the swine assuming that you really have any pearls?
It can rebound you know.
John Kurien
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Reply by : johnkurien1   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 3:39:53 AM Close
<<<<Also, those brethren in this forum who have been protecting the criminals against any kind censoring, those who vex eloquent in favour of the guerillas and masked hoodlums on this forum, let me remind you: "when we have friends like you we do not need enemies like MegaLogos" Johnson C. Philip>>>
How long will it take for brethren on this forum to recognise what his man is? Can you not see that apart from calling people like me "swine", he is also calling those who do not support him as "swine". This man is arrogant to the core - those who do not hold his doctrine or care nothing much for his claims to being a great man of God are all "swine". How many brethren whom he has called "swine" can see his duplicity? For people like me, it doesnt matter what he calls me, because he has no control over my life or my words - but I really pity the brethren who have to live with elders who have no qualms in caling their own "brethren" in Christ as "swine".
May God open the eyes of the "swine" brethren to whom JCP is referring so that they can laugh at his ignorance and lunacy and utter lack of understanding of what Christian fellowship can be.
It is one thing for him and people who have his sinful nature to call others swine freely. It is another that brethren who have dignity allow him to call them swine. In the past he has called them "pacifists" and now he has promoted them to "swine".
John Kurien
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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 4:30:45 AM Close
Dear Brother George,

you said

<<You will appreciate that in some of my post I had hinded about the same. I donot know whether you are noticed or not. Further, I feel he is the same as of Elf>>

Yes brother I did notice your comments. I also concur with your deductions.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 4:33:58 AM Close
Dear JohnKurian1

I did not say anything about you in this thread. Why are you so aggrieved ?? Why do you automatically identify yourself as the swine among all the people who are on this forum ??

I mean, why in the world do you think that this thread is aimed at you ???

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : josbr   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 5:38:40 AM Close
Mr. John Kurian does not lose anything by his such behavior in this forum.
It is the Lord’s interests that suffer, and ours too.
That blessed Name under heaven given among men for our salvation and glory is put to public shame.
(I refer to Acts 4:12)
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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 5:49:11 AM Close
1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

1PE 2:22 "He committed no sin,
and no deceit was found in his mouth."

1PE 2:23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

Mathew 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Luke 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Who is different from whom here???
Kettle or pot???

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 18 Aug 2007 7:03:21 AM Close
Dear kbb

thank you for identifying yourself as to where you belong.

What is so great about exhorting people from behind a hood ??

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 2:27:04 AM Close
Johnson,
What I posted was a few verses from the Gospels; I have mentioned the references also - they are not my private work.

The last two sentences are the expression of my doubts; not an exhortation. If I make it more plain it is some thing like this:

-- Neither you, Johnson, nor the other guy, John Kurien, is any differant in my view from what you guys have been uttering. You both manifest the same bitterness; hatred and anger: in short controlled by the same spirit --.

About where I belong to:
I am neither a Pentecostal nor a Brethren - so I am totally independant and am not biased either against you or John Kurien.

I am amused to sense the claim of both of you as groups belonging to the inner circle of the Lord's people.

One more thing - it won't be very difficult to unite you fighting men, struggling to tear each other, against me; once you recognize me a common enemy. The greatest fun would be to see you - Johnson and John Kurien - joining to form a United Front against me.

So, good bye Johnson; I don't have anymore time to waste talking with you.

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Reply by : dr._johnson_c._philip   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 7:37:26 AM Close
Dear kkb

I did not say a single word against JohnKurien1 in this thread or in any other thread. In fact I did not engage with him, or about him, in any thread. Then why do you feel that I am against him. So why did you make this post.

Also, I never entered into any dialog with you. So why do you feel threatened.

From this your affiliation and inclinations have become obvious. Thanks for exposing yourself without any kind of provocation or interaction from my side.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 8:00:22 AM Close
:-)
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Reply by : dr._johnson_c._philip   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 8:16:35 AM Close
I once again remind the Bible-believing, bible-loving, separation-loving, people on this forum that perhaps it is time to go ahead with the main discussion and simply dismiss the distractors in a sentence or two rather than casting the pearls in front of the swine.

This is also a reminder to all the pacifists that all what they have done so far is oppose the Bible-believing, bible-loving, separation-loving, people on this forum while at the same time they encourage the people who are here on this forum only for opposing the truth.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 9:44:42 PM Close
Dear kbb, thanks for sharing those verses from 1 Peter, Mathew and Luke. Its good to drink that pure spirit and the heart be established by these precious pearls.
Heb 10:24 - "And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works"


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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 9:52:38 PM Close
Its good to stir up love and not hatred!
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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 19 Aug 2007 11:27:56 PM Close
The mutual hatred prevailing among various Christian Groups, especially those who considers themselves as Evangelicals, is saddening. The main pastime of these groups is ‘proving others of their own kind wrong’. But, all these groups are composed of ‘born-again, baptized, gospel preaching, believers waiting for Rapture”. Now I realize that it is quite possible for Bible-believing, truth-loving, God-fearing, believers to hate, to quarrel, to behave insensitively and finally call fellow Christians, indirectly, by names other than homo-sapiens in the Animal Kingdom. Fellow Christians, I am grieved.

How all these will affect an outsider to this faith who don’t know “The Wonderful Man of Calvary”.

Will any level headed, balanced believer here help others to “know the mind of Christ” as admonished in Philippians 2. I am at a loss to understand how you guys appear before the Son of God after all these wars of words with cruel, callous, uncharitable mentalities and attitudes.

Luke 18:6 And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 20 Aug 2007 12:40:29 AM Close
I do see the point that 'kbb' is trying to raise in this thread. It is true that some have come here recently & have tried to inject disharmony & promote false teachings. But a few others already here have not helped the situation either due to less than graceful reaction. I believe mature believers here ought to set the bar high & lead by example rather than react overly. Thus, we can steer the threads towards a fruitful discussions rather than feed into the frenzy so to speak! I would take kbb’s views as an outsider (outside of Brethren & Pentecostal) seriously and examine myself. Let us defend the doctrines but also not forget to exhibit Christ-like nature!

God Bless!

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 20 Aug 2007 2:41:56 AM Close
To the brethren on this forum who are here for serious study and teaching of the Bible:

It is always amazing to note on this forum how a lot of people come forward to justify the characters who come here only to fight against the Bible. They are given all respect, sympathy, love, concern.

What is more, they stick together. "Let us love each other" is the doctrine. Obviously, all those who err stick together and love each other because they have only one goal -- to oppose biblical truth.

Brethren, let me remind you once again, do not cast your pearls in front of swine. They do not deserve sympathy, and they are not here to reason, but only to trample the truth and the messengers of truth.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 20 Aug 2007 5:42:11 AM Close
Let us listen to what the Word of God speaks:

2Timothy 2:22
Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.

24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 20 Aug 2007 8:49:21 AM Close
Dear 'kbb,'

It is good that you bring the scriptures into this discussion. Could you place the scriptures that tell us how to do with evil doers, false teachers, those who try to spread heresey among believers, those who deny the authority of the Word of God in many ways, etc.?

I am like you. I am not a Brethren. The above will help me and others. I depend on you for the scriptural references as requested above.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 6:09:56 AM Close
Dear GPK,
I have posted the Scripture portions that I considered relevant to me in the context of the suggestion made here ‘not to cast pearls before swine’. How a servant of God is supposed to conduct when faced with opposition from those whom some in this forum dares to call swine is the issue dealt with in those passages, to my understanding. The point I was trying to make is that “Word of God” shall not be denied to the opponents of the Word and the ‘pearl’ ‘swine’ analogy is not a sufficient excuse for such denial.

I don’t consider your request for help and dependence on me for scriptural references to be genuine or true. I don’t expect such a behavior from an elderly person like you. You may be very shrewd and acting cleverly but I suggest you to be innocent. I don’t consider the intentions behind your requests to be innocent. I am willing to face the Lord’s censure, if He so chooses, for making the above observations about your intentions and don’t worry about me.

GPK, I am aware of the various shades of teachings / doctrines held by various groups of Christians and each one of them tries to prove others wrong and all claim authority for their doctrinal positions on Scriptures. Unitarians & Trinitarians, Evangelicals and Episcopalians, Millannialists & Amillannialists, (Post-Pre-No and Dipsensational) Calvinists & Armenians – all prove, defend & propagate their doctrines from Bible – the same Bible or they make their own Bible. It is all the interpretation one accepts that he defends; and everyone believes that they have “The Truth” in what they believe & teach.

Proving truth and winning an opponent by defeating in an argument has not worked in my knowledge. If you are trying to draw me into an argument, I am sorry – you have won and start celebrating. Please leave me and pick up someone else.

Let there be Peace.

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Reply by : abegeoge   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 7:03:04 AM Close
Dear KBB
The attack has begun in earnest on you.
If you go to the other forum you will see that now there is an attack on Sister Sunila too.
We can begin praying earnestly that God sends grace abundant to those who enjoy intimidating and calling others "swine" on this forum.
I am in full agreement with you that such language and behaviour (even by quoting Scripture) is entirely unchristian in its essence.
Thank you for the verses that shed light abundantly on this matter.
I have made a similar appeal/suggestion/plea on the tongues thread so that the value and validity of fellowship in Lord Jesus Christ is not portrayed in a shameful manner.
May God give grace for peace.
Abe
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 7:24:51 AM Close
Dear 'kbb,'

All I asked was to provide the verses that you did not consider to place before, on this Forum. Now you are attacking my intention. My intention included to make others to know that you have not provided the whole truth about what you advocate. Your refusal and call for peace surely tell that you have not provided the whole truth. I leave it to you to provide the whole, becasue that is how one should expound the scriptures and not by selelectively choosing.

When tempted in the wilderness by Satan by partially quoting the scriptures, our Lord Jesus christ answered him by saying, "It is also written..."

Yes 'kbb,' it is also written and you refuse to provide it. Why?

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 8:52:47 AM Close
The state of affairs on this website, are very sad. In a sense, this website is a reflection of some of the churches today. Carnal flesh has stepped in to claim a place where only God should be worshiped.

Its easy to engage, investigate, judge and condemn. However, God expects His children to take the "gentle" approach. This is expressly seen in various epistles. Our Lord said, "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

Gentle and lowly in heart - Can we aspire to be that? It goes contrary to human nature, but we are expected to be like that.

Granted, we have a few new comers, who have chosen to misuse this website to vent their irk and loathe for brethren beliefs. However, their hearts could have been won for Christ, by Christ like gentleness.

How do we know FOR SURE that these new comers are "category swine" before whom we are advised not to throw our pearls? Could it be that the Lord led them to this website so that their hardened hearts might find godly people with biblical answers, who will gently instruct?

Lets search our hearts as the Psalmist said and ask the Lord to remove anything that he does not approve. Let beware of His words in Rev 2:23 "...I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works."

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 5:01:56 PM Close
Dear brother GPK

While my posting is not intended to be an exhortation; I do agree with what moses2006 mentioned; I would like to add few things with a prayer that this forum would be more purposeful, meaningful and edifying to the contributors, readers, spectators and observers alike in future. Above all, this posting is done with a desire that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ be magnified through this forum.

We have seen how difficult it was to drive away the distracters. Their intentions seem to be just cause havoc on the forum that real issues are never discussed. Surprisingly their resource as regards time was enormous! They found it easy to provoke the brethren by using their deceptive tactics relentlessly in order to fail the functioning of this forum.

Some who claimed to be the children of God having spiritual gifts even dared to misuse their natural gift of communication, which is not befitting a believer.

Most of us know that some of the questions asked on this forum are directed to mislead the readers, some to test the knowledge of the person who responds, some to see the way these matters are handled on this forum and to sit back and laugh scornfully. I feel that it may be prudent to admit that the overall conduct of the forum has not been very successful.

Deleting a thread and the contents will not do any good. This is a very costly affair as the numerous valuable man hours spent by the writers and readers alike are destroyed suddenly. In the event of a highly essential circumstance, such postings or threads may be moved to a recycle bin or retained as trash. For instance, I had a reply for Assothama. When I wanted to post it, the thread meant for the reply was no more there.

Now that calm seems to have returned, we may be able to see meaningful discussion again on this forum. May our merciful God grant the needed peaceful environment in this forum in the days to come for a meaningful communication between people who love God.

In Christian love

Mathew

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 21 Aug 2007 8:37:11 PM Close
Well said bro.moses...well said. But to show gentleness and compassion requires a lot of humility and restraint on our part...a lot! It requires a lot of prayer for the Lord to guide our tongues and words.
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Reply by : abegeoge   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 1:03:42 AM Close
Dear friends
I believe the core question is not answered. Br Moses and Br Mathew George have given wise instruction.
But unless the "swine" comment is retracted by the person who made it, how can there be peace? There is a non-retractable, inflexible, hardline spirit behind the swine comment which applied not only to the distractors but also to pacifists on this forum, his brothers.
This issue has not been addressed.
Abe
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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 2:33:33 AM Close
This is taken from the posting of George P Koshy:

“Yes 'kbb,' it is also written and you refuse to provide it. Why?”

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Dear GPK,
Do you mean to say that I am keeping the Scriptural portions you have in your mind under some kind of a lock and key and refusing you access to it?

Your posting sounds like telling me that you are desperately looking for some Scripture Portions under my private custody; whereas you can get them only if I remove the restraint!! Poor soul.

Dear Dr. George P Koshy, Please go ahead and read whatever you want from the Bible, Post whatever you consider I have missed out; be assured that I haven’t placed any restriction on you; if at all you feel so, it is your mistaken feeling only. If you are asking for my permission for posting the portions in your mind, no issues, PERMISSION GRANTED.

Finally, I don’t feel obligated to do or say what GPK is trying to force upon me.
Goodbye.

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Reply by : keralabrethren1   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 5:27:56 AM Close
<<But unless the "swine" comment is retracted by the person who made it, how can there be peace? There is a non-retractable, inflexible, hardline spirit behind the swine comment which applied not only to the distractors but also to acifists on this forum, his brothers. This issue has not been addressed>>

`continuum of a conundrum’ again ?

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Reply by : sathyanweshy   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 6:29:45 AM Close
Dear brethren, why some of you are so irritated by hearing a statement 'pearls in front of swine'. It is a phrase which our Lord used to identify a group of people in the society. If you are not in that category, and stand to be a true observer of truth, then there is no need of fighting with words unfair for a Christian. In my observation drjcp made a general statement and kbb and johnkurien1 took it for themselves. It is better to understand the spirit of the phrase rather than fighting with the phrase. Why don't you take any other serious subject to discuss, not wasting time on this.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 7:00:54 AM Close
Dear 'kbb,'

I am not asking for your permission to post the verses from the Bible. All I am asking is that you place all verses related to the subject to be placed without any bias.

I have not even asked you to explain any. I asked to include all relevant verses. Consider all that is revealed on a subject is what I asked for. You should do it, since you placed some of the verses.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 7:03:44 AM Close
Dear 'moses2006' and Mathew George:

I have not expounded on any verse on this thread. I am not planning to add much, other than asking the one who posted certain verses to complete that work by posting all relevant verses. I am not even asking any one to be fair. I am asking to be true to the Word of God, as we can.

When some one quote just the scriptures, I have no desire to say anything against the Word of God. All I asked "kbb' is that he should not leave some verses because they may not serve his desired objective, whatever that may be.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 8:06:18 AM Close
Dear Brethren

the "swine" comment was a general one. I did not name any names. Nor did I interact with anyone of you who are upset by this statement. There are two things that you should know

1. Since it was an allusion to the Bible, and since I did not name anyone, did not allude to anyone, I will not retract it. It stands as a firm statement from me.

2. Pearls are not to be thrown to those who despise them. If you do not despise the Bible and what it stands for, the statement does not apply to you. Since I did not name names, and did not even quote anyone in this thread, why should some of you automatically apply it to yourself ??

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : spectator   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 9:51:22 AM Close

The pearls have fallen from the so called wise
And behold, it has grown into a pig sty!

Thy thinkest thyself so high above all
And keepest thou such an unquenched gall.

Why not refrain my dear ‘Friend’
From creating such superfluous grunt?

Take time “that thou thyself also
Walkest orderly, and keepest the law”.

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 11:10:33 AM Close
<<Thy thinkest thyself so high above all
And keepest thou such an unquenched gall.>>

Dear Spectator,

just a reminder, you are not supposed to pass personal comments and attacks

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 12:54:20 PM Close
JCP, spectator did not write it about you. It is not a personal attack. It is a general poem and very beautiful. Why should of you automatically apply it to yourself ??
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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 12:57:14 PM Close
Touche !!
It seems what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander!!
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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 1:14:00 PM Close
Bro JCP,

Your "swine" statement may have been a general one, alluding to the Bible. But, you failed to put the phrase in quotes as a direct quote from the Lord, along with the scripture reference. If you had done that, then most people would not have taken offense. As you wrote it, you made it sound as if, its your personal way of categorizing those who oppose you as "swine". Hence the irk coming your way.

Even if you do not retract, I suggest it will be good idea for you to restate your comments, making them quotes from the Bible and using such quotes only to teach the underlying principle; not use it to propagate a degrading condescending attitude. I do not believe the Lord intended that phrase to be used by us, as you used it in public.

I (in fact many in this forum) wish both you and GPK were more "passive" in your replies. Would you please consider this request? I do not mean stand idle and watch while the Bible is attacked. I mean we do not have to be "militant" about protecting the Word of God. I mean being more persuasive using gentleness as opposed to hard hitting hurtful words. Consider the wisdom in the following verses:

Proverbs 15:1 - A soft answer turns away wrath,But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Proverbs 25:15 - By long forbearing is a prince persuaded, and a soft tongue breaketh the bone.

Bro John Miller, Bro Varughese and Bro Tom J have all been exemplary in practicing forbearance, patience and gentleness combined with authoritative firmness. Lets all follow their good example.

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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 1:35:08 PM Close
Thanks Brother Moses for those wonderful verses. Let me add to that.

James 3:18 - "And the harvest of righteousness (of conformity to God's will in thought and deed) is [the fruit of the seed] sown in peace by those who work for and make peace [in themselves and in others, that peace which means concord, agreement, and harmony between individuals, with undisturbedness, in a peaceful mind free from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts]."

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 1:58:47 PM Close
Dear Brother Moses

I appreciate your advise. It does not take much to see that I was alluding (I did not use the word 'quote') to a statement of the Lord.

Thanks brother Moses for your suggestion. I appreciate it. However, since you are new to the forum you are confusing the real problem with a superficial one.

I do not propose to be the kind of wishy washy person that would make people like talmid and mom happy.

The main problem is something other than the tone. The main problem is that many on this forum prefer a wishy-washy kind of Christianity.

Another problem is that anonymity makes it easy for masked people to attack me while they remain untouched.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 2:05:53 PM Close
Dear Brother Moses2006

kindly check the thread on which someone has appropriated the title of Jesus. Kindly also notice that the people who are happy about your advice to me have not bothered to express their concern in that thread.

Kindly remain on this forum for some time, try to understand the real issues.

The real issue is not "tone" but the desire of some people to get all kinds of viewpoints condoned here. Thus they would not easily condemn even rank heresy on this forum.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 2:39:24 PM Close
Dear Bro. JCP,

I have a high regard and respect to your prowess with God's Word. May I point out a couple of things:

1. You have to agree that this website is ultimately, a public website. Anyone, from anywhere can post whatever they want. As much as you feel the need to police the content, you should accept that the webmasters are the ones who are the ultimate guardians. Do not take every post personally or seriously. I did not respond to the "lordjesus" post, since I found it "silly" and did not find the post deserving a response from me. Choose your battles!

2. "Wishy-washy Christianity". If there is one thing that the Lord hates, it is wishy-washy Christianity. Here in the US, many preachers become popular advocating "Christianity-lite". I applaud you for taking a firm stand and drawing the line in the sand, when it comes to God's Word. But defending against wishy-washy, does not mean heavy-heavy, harsh and condescending. Further, there is a difference between being firm in person with another person, and trying to project firmness in a public forum. In a public forum, you can be firm and win hearts only by gentleness. You cannot do that by "using the stick".

3. The issue of anonymity. Anonymity is a privilege the webmasters have given to the users of this forum. Its not a "problem". It is a privilege. It helps foster better discussions. It attracts more topics, more users and ensures fairness among users. Will some misuse this privilege? Absolutely. Do those who give out their names have an operational dis-advantage over those who do not? Absolutely. But, ultimately, anonymity is a personal choice. Nobody can force anyone to remain anonymous or otherwise. As children of God, we have to remember that, before God, there is no anonymity. God will judge those who misuse this privilege.

Quote "masked people to attack me while they remain untouched." - lets not try to TOUCH the masked people. Remain gentle and commit them to God.

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 3:10:31 PM Close
Dear Brother Moses2006

thank you very much for a more elaborate explanation and suggestions to me. I appreciate the burden and concern with which you have written to me. I am thankful.

Brother, I do not take any attack as personal. If you pursue older threads, you will notice that I never even reply to attacks that come against me.

In this particular thread also I asked spectator to refrain from personal attack not because it was against me but because I have been making this statement against all personal attacks. Just check the record.

Coming to whether things should be left unchallenged or not, it depends upon one's mental makeup. I would prefer to challenge and oppose heresies and attacks that come against the Bible.

Brother, I have been writing a book and the one chapter is now available on www.free-cds.org

It is by one AnarchiPhilus who is basically a proponent of moral relativism. AnarchiPhilus is just the opposite of me. If you love ebooks please
visit this site and do get this chapter, and I am sure you will be motivated to read the rest so as to understand the need to fight against heresy.

I appreciate your posts directed at me. I welcome your comments specifically to me if you wish to say anything more.

Thanks once again,

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : spectator   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 4:30:49 PM Close
FROM:
01332 : Terms and conditions. For the n-th time.
Reply by : spectator : 8 Aug 2007 10:39:42 AM

Didn’t we go through this several times?

What part of this is not understood by a couple of writers on this forum?

<<Does an anonymous forum have its' disadvantages?
Will it allow some people to express more freely?
Does an anonymous forum has its' advantages?
What if someone comes and really abuses the participants and the Word of God?

These are all good questions. But remember that is not the issue here.

The real issue is:
Is it, being on this forum with an apparent pseudo name (pen name, uncommon name or whatever you want to call it) inferior, unethical or unchristian?
Does it give any other participant with the so called real name the right to insult others?
Is it within the terms and conditions of participation on this forum and within the spirit of the overall terms and conditions of this forum?
The answers are obvious to the unbiased and clear thinking.

To the accusation that if a participant is not using their birth certificate name gives them an advantage has also been proved baseless (see examples by Tomj).
However, even if they have an advantage for any reason, it is the participants' privilege and choice to participate here the way it is authorized by the owners. Not the other way around as implicated by some.
ANYONE WHO HAS A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE SET POLICY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE. BUT THROWING INSULTS AT EACH AND EVERY RESPECTABLE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM AND TO THINK THAT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU DON'T APPROVE OF THEIR NAME IS THE MINDSET THAT NEEDS CHANGING.
SUCH BEHAVIOR IS AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF ACCEPTABLE CHRISTIAN CONDUCT. IT IS ALSO AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FREEDOM ALLOWED ON THIS FORUM. >>

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 5:32:11 PM Close

As far as I can recollect I know one person on this forum as he uses his name.

Anyone on this forum may choose to remain anonymous.

BUT REMEMBER THAT GOD WATCHES YOU AND YOU ARE NOT ANONYMOUS TO HIM.

WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT WE WRITE HERE.
Let us be careful not to mislead others as regards the Word of God in particular.

In Christian love

Mathew


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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 6:33:52 PM Close
Why the webmaster is holding all the topics from past (from many years back). Who is going back and getting reference from last year's postings. Only reference book is bible. No other notes. Who is learning from whom? Welcome newcomers.
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Reply by : talmid2   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 8:57:49 PM Close
Brother Mathew George, You are assuming that all those who are anonymous think that God is not watching over them and have no fear of God. You are also assuming that all those who are not anonymous are not misleading others. You are trying to equate anonymity with deception. This is not true in the Internet. Rather anonymity often promotes great discussions focussed only on the content of discussion rather than on personal egos. Also, people don't flatter each other when they are anonymous. Anonymity promotes a high level of openness. If someone abuses anonymity with a malicious intent, then let God deal with Him. Do you think God will not? Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction we can instead go to God and find out how to deal with it in a case to case basis.
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Reply by : abegeoge   View Profile   Since : 22 Aug 2007 11:52:20 PM Close
Dear friends -
There is a beautiful verse that says "outside are the dogs". JCP cannot excuse himself when he barks. He can cover himself with all the whitewash he likes to pour over himself. He can get the webmasters to keep blocking/banning IP addresses. Be sure that he is going to lose this battle. He wants to be God's policeman but who knows if God has appointed him to be the same? Some of course worship him, but the angel told John "Do not worship me" in Revelation. JCP calls MagaLogos (sic) a loudmouth. One can see how loudly JCP advertises his wares here and on the Internet.
Who is the loudmouth? Facts speak for themselves.
At no point in his policeman's career out here has he ever said "I am wrong" or "I am sorry". This man is always correct. But that in itself is a sign as to what is wrong with him.
The question really is: why did JCP open this swine thread? He was reacting in anger and hatred towards those who have the courage of conviction to what they believe from the Word of God. He cannot convert them because of his stubborn and harsh sinful nature which is always to the forefront. He says to Moses and others "I appreciate your advice brothers" but he never takes advice. He is a law unto himself and he cannot see the log in his own eye. We have to let him remain blind.
I suggest that those of us who want peaceful discussions that are not detrimental to the building of fellowship (whatever might be our doctrinal biases) ignore his barking. "Outside are the dogs."
ABE
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Reply by : keralabrethren1   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 2:44:37 AM Close
Here comes he again!
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Reply by : abegeoge   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 2:53:49 AM Close
Dear Br Mathew George, Spectator and the many sober brothers and sisters who have openly exercised restraint -
I believe that discussions would be possible in a very beautiful and helpful manner for all concerned if two or three people did not keep insulting and provoking those who have their own doctrines and measure of faith which differ from the others on this site.
I have seen many pleas in the past saying "please put up unambiguous guidelines" as for instance "only those who subscribe to cessesionism welcome" or "only those who are brethren welcome", etc.
But even then, suppose there is a brethren youth or even older person or sister who is not convinced of the brethren doctrine but is yet a lover of Christ and he/she wants to join the discussion, is he going to be beaten to death as is done on this forum?
Again, if other beleivers who are not brethren come here and speak honestly about what they believe, is it the objective of this public forum to humiliate them and insult them and force them to swallow brethren teachings?
I think much change has to come about in attitudes if this is the case. However, one cannot change attitudes of others. And one is not also obliged to change one's beliefs for the sake of others unless convinced by God.
There must be a fair balance.
I am praying that God will bring about this fair balance.
In the meantime, it must be clear to people like GPK and JCP that their behaviour and arrogant words and deeds (banning IP addresses, calling people evil spirits, false teachers, heretics, swine,criminals, hoodlums, etc directly and indirectly, etc)can only continue to ruin the atmosphere on this forum. While they may feel threatened about their own faith and have many fears inside them, such fears are becoming manifest as hatred and angry outbursts and pride and vengefulness. May God have mercy on such ignorant people who cause grief to God and the name of Christ.
ABE
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Reply by : abegeoge   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 2:56:58 AM Close
Dear Keralabrethren1
Does it surprise you?
It's a swine eat dog world you know!!!
I hope you appreaciate the black bleak humor.
:-)
ABE
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 7:53:48 AM Close
To all Readers,

On 22 Aug 2007 11:52:20 Pm 'abegeorge' wrote, "There is a beautiful verse that says "outside are the dogs". JCP cannot excuse himself when he barks."

On 23 Aug 2007 2:56:58 AM 'abegeorge' wrote, "It's a swine eat dog world you know!!!"

Whom is he referring to? Is this a personal attack? If not why not?

The above is not a "black bleak humor," as 'abegeroge' claims. Whatever that may be? Even to call it a "black bleak humor" is a personal attack cloaked in cowardism. As we know, a 'cloak' is usually a sleeveless and loose outer garment that is used to conceal something.

As brother Johnson C. Philip wrote in another thread, I have not seen any one addressing this behavior. But if he, brother Johnson C. Philip, writes anything against or about what is written by another (not personal), then it becomes a personal attack and there are many to opine about it. A double standard of those who use the freedom of expression, I think.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : spectator   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 9:14:38 AM Close
I agree with Br. George Koshy.

That we need to show mutual respect and above all express Christian character. The phrases quoted by GPK as examples are not something we want to use against a child of God, even in a joking manner.

Also in similar standard stands phrases such as “guerillas and masked hoodlums”.

The difference here is that one comes apparently from a younger generation while the second is from some who has been known as a teacher and who should stand above the crowd as an exemplary example. So the scale tips in favor of the younger, while neither is excusable.

Yet in a general way I do disagree that we do need to perceive these arguments as organized. It may or may not be. The main objective of the site is for general edification of discussion from the Scriptures. Lately it has lop-sided to the discussion of behavior of certain individuals.

This is (the internet forum) the ‘open air’, of the new age. You can proclaim the truth to the ‘world ‘ and they can comment, howl, oppose or attack.

Leave that alone.

Show respect and then you will get it back.
Stand for what you believe but don’t put down your opponent and argue endlessly.
Shy away from unnecessary entanglement that are posted your way, or from discussing the anatomy of someone’s name.

Let us please end it here and now and get back to whatever is bubbling in your heart that can be reported for edification or for praise.

Cheers,
AO.

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 5:12:01 PM Close
Talmid2 (dear brother………),

I have not assumed anything; but those were just generalized statements.

It was intended for all participants whether they were anonymous or not.

When I wrote ‘we are’ and ‘let us’ I have not excluded myself. I should have mentioned “……..GOD watches YOU and ME and that WE ARE…..”

Probably my words might have been to some extent misleading and I should have been more careful. Please accept my apologies.

As I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum, I myself find it difficult to express my entire thoughts into words, I miss out some important points inadvertently or negligently. Equally we (those who feel otherwise are exempted) fail to understand the intentions and thoughts of the writer and we (those who feel otherwise are exempted) construe or interpret according to our way of thinking at that moment.

Response to my posting is welcome. However (please bear with me in the love of God) I MAY NOT respond further in this regard on this thread except for the subject of discussion.

In Christian love

Mathew

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Reply by : jcp1   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 11:04:37 PM Close
Hello - I have been impressed by the discussions on this thread particularly and the powerful exhortations put up to resist swine. I have now decided to be formed in the image of the person who put up these strong exhortations.
In future, I promise to do everything exactly as the person who put up these exhortations.
Dear brothers, do not cast pearls before swine. We are strong bible-believing, chosen ones before the face of the Lord.
Everyone who does not believe what we believe (you can read our belief statement to know exactly what we believe and how there can be no ambiguity about what we believe) is of course not worthy of giving anything to or entering into any dialogue with.
Please brothers do not cast your pearls before swine. It will not help them. Swine can never be transformed. They are condemned to hell for ever while we will forever be with Jesus and we can laugh at all the others. What a tremendous mistake they all made because they did not believe us. But now they will all be damned for ever. These damned souls will never understand a word we say because we speak only scripture verses. This is because God made them like that while He made us to be holy and separated and different and exalted over them. May we keep it like this always or God will damn us too!!!
Oh how precious are our pearls and how filthy are these swine, criminals, masked hoodlums, evil spirits. How holy we are! Brothers, brothers, guard the pearls and let the swine die! They deserve no sympathy, they deserve their IDs banned, they deserve death and isolation and ostracism! This is the true Biblical, Christian path, O brothers. Do not cast your pearls before swine!
JCP1
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Reply by : jcp1   View Profile   Since : 23 Aug 2007 11:20:09 PM Close
Dear Friends -
What happens when Christians use the Bible and its verses as "hate speech"?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080
But now that I am conformed to the image of the person who made the strong exhortations on this thread, I must say he is absolutely right and always right. Yes, people must be ostracised and condemned and hated and no sympathy must be shown because what he says is always right and he always has the Bible open in front to quote. I want to be like that more and more in the days to come. I want to be able to be strong like that, to hate others strongly like that, to be able to condemn others strongly like that,to stand fast for the Lord just the same way, to be able to beat others down just like that, to be able to have friends who will help to beat others down just like that, to be famous just like that, to be honoured just like that. Yes, now my path is so clear. I can be formed in that image that has impressed me. Now the light shines brightly. May God help me in this endeavour.
JCP1
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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 24 Aug 2007 12:10:01 AM Close
Readers may kindly notice that JCP is the abbreviation of my name. I sign in by the log-in name DRJCP and I give my full name.

JCP1 has no connection with me.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 24 Aug 2007 4:39:45 AM Close
To all readers,

This "jcp1" is a mischief-maker and a liar. His post here and elsewhere is false and foolish. Such interventions do not belong in Christian discussion. It follows a pattern of mischief-making by a group of persons with their own sinister agenda. It would be better if no one made any response to such replies at all.

John Miller

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 24 Aug 2007 9:29:29 AM Close
As Bro. John Miller said, in the name of peace, I hope Dr. JCP and GPK will not respond to jcp1 or any of his future posts, using any his various aliases. The Lord has very clearly led us to discern the spirit that is in jcp1. So please lets leave him alone.

Dr. JCP could you please continue the beautiful work documenting early brethren history in another post? Your efforts are highly appreciated. May we glorify the Lord, knowing what our fathers went through and how precious a faith we have inherited.

Rev 22: 14, 15 - Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But OUTSIDE are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 24 Aug 2007 9:59:47 AM Close
Dear Brother Moses2006

thanks for your post. You must have noticed that I did not respond to jcp1.

To see my serious works, kindly visit www.BrethrenAssembly.Com and www.Bible4u.info, etc.

thanks once again

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 24 Aug 2007 10:49:19 AM Close
Dear readers,

Those who claim to be mentally stable need to use proper discretion and identify those that are suffering from mental instability. There are many who suffer such medical conditions and go through compulsive behavioral and other disorders even among our own families. Once such pattern of behavior is detected those claiming to be stable need to be considerate and disengage from provocative dialogue.

Those who know they have this medical condition need to seek the necessary medical help in controlling such behaviors in order for them to be more useful for the Lord and to others. I hope I am not too presumptuous in making this observation and be forthright and please do not consider these comments derogatory by any means. Let me assure you of my compassion and empathy as someone who has close family members who go through such illnesses.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : sathyanweshy   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2007 12:28:25 PM Close
I wonder at the way the webmaster use the name Kerala Brethren. These people gives the public a chance to put their shoes on the Brethren. In my understanding those who attack Dr.JCP are from the brethren assemblies with hidden names and agendas. But I strongly support JCP for his concern about the word of God and also of the brethren assemblies. The Fathers of Brethren movement were so bold to condemn any one who divert the truth of the scripture. Drjcp follows the same pattern.

The postings in this thread itself is the evidence that the statement which drjcp made was right.

I have a humble request to the webmasters- what ever may be their intention in running this forum- please do not give a chance to the culprits to degrade and insult the Brethren assemblies.

C.S.Mathew

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2007 10:16:56 PM Close
Thank you very much brother CS Mathew. However, as long as people can post either anonymously or without moderation, some will keep attacking the doctrines, the separation, and the zeal for which the Brethren are known.

The same people, when they come to the moderated forum (www.Brethren.in), discuss and debate in a very balanced and healthy manner because there is moderation and also their IP is known.

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 26 Aug 2007 10:20:20 PM Close
C.S. Mathew

Dear brother, I forgot to mention that you have identified it right. All those who have been attacking me (anonymously) recently are brethren young people disgruntled with doctrine.

[Two who attacked me have reconciled with me, because they do not belong to this group of disgruntled young people]

When we have enemies within the Brethren, we do not need enemies

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 27 Aug 2007 7:01:34 AM Close
Dear brotehr Johnson C. Philip,

You wrote about using sing-in ID and the moderated forum. Part of what you wrote was, "also their IP is known." This may not be true. There are people in the Moderated Forum who give their "Real Name" as the same as their sogn-in ID. Some even give fake names and any could know that they are lying. When a person lies about his/her real name, what can we say? It shows their honesty, integrity as an individual, and their lack of sincerity. We cannot have a group of sincere Christians only, in a Forum. The result is chaos now and then as we experience.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 27 Aug 2007 9:53:10 AM Close
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE USE OF PEARLS AND SWINE BY BRO. JCP AS MORE “DEFENSIVE OF PEARLS” RATHER THAN “OFFENSIVE TOWARDS SWINE“

He understands well the character of swine and recognizes them easily on this forum.

Mathew

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 27 Aug 2007 12:18:47 PM Close
Dear Brother Mathew George,

thanks for that observation. I could not have said it better !! It is a great encouragement

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 28 Aug 2007 2:25:27 AM Close

Dear Brother Johnson C. Philip

Hallelujah

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Reply by : sathyanweshy   View Profile   Since : 28 Aug 2007 10:44:27 AM Close
Dear drjcp, apostle Paul, Peter and Judah were inspired to dismantle the heresies and heretics of any kind, from inside and outside the church. As an apologist what you write in strong words are much encouraging to people like me who are looking forward to a separated Christian living and testimony. May the good Lord strengthen you to fight against any diversion from the fundamentals of Christian Faith and doctrine. We do pray for you.
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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 28 Aug 2007 12:35:38 PM Close
Dear Satyanweshy,

thank you very much for the strong dose of encouragement. I appreciate it very much

Johnson C. Philip

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 28 Aug 2007 1:44:33 PM Close
Dear Satyanweshy,

Quote <As an apologist what you write in strong words are much encouraging to people like me who are looking forward to a separated Christian living and testimony.>

You are the first person to state that. I am curious as to how "strong words" from Dr.JCP "encouraged" you, as one "looking forward to a separated Christian living and testimony". Could you explain yourself using the Word of God as your basis for that comment?

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Reply by : sathyanweshy   View Profile   Since : 30 Aug 2007 2:05:11 AM Close
Well Moses, I am a regular visitor on this site, though I do not post much. I go through all the threads and see how people evaluate biblical teachings on subjects. I see the way how drjcp directs people to come to right deduction. And his request to concerned people on this thread was right to my understanding. And GPK also plays a good part in leading the threads in right direction.

I am not going to place all the things here what encouraged me from his postings. If you observe with a positive mind and analyze things you might receive the idea clear.

Questions and counter questions will have no end. But truth will be revealed to those who seek it. Thank you so much.

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Reply by : nelson   View Profile   Since : 30 Aug 2007 4:39:10 AM Close

Hi, Dear Brethren,

I am visiting this site after a long time. Let me tell you sincerely; very sad to notice that there is no change in the overall style of our discussions in this forum. Still fighting, argument and sarcastic statements going on.

I strongly believe, the webmaster should moderate this forum too.

What ever is written here should be for edification, correction, enlightenment or encouragement. Truth must be proclaimed but it should be in love. Yes it is true for the sake of love we can not sacrifice truth.

If we use this forum merely for personal show or to discredit some body else, ultimately the Lord’s name is dishonored and the testimony of the ‘brethren’ as whole is affected.

Please, it’s only a humble comment, neither for any argument nor against any body personally!!

With Christian Love

Nelson

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Reply by : oso2005   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2007 2:11:48 PM Close
Hello DRJCP..

I dont know your background or your denomination but there is one thing I want to point out and I expect a reply from you:

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Reply by : spectator Since : 22 Aug 2007 09:51:22 Close

The pearls have fallen from the so called wise
And behold, it has grown into a pig sty!

Thy thinkest thyself so high above all
And keepest thou such an unquenched gall.

Why not refrain my dear ‘Friend’
From creating such superfluous grunt?

Take time “that thou thyself also
Walkest orderly, and keepest the law”.




Reply by : drjcp Since : 22 Aug 2007 11:10:33 Close
<<Thy thinkest thyself so high above all
And keepest thou such an unquenched gall.>>

Dear Spectator,

just a reminder, you are not supposed to pass personal comments and attacks

Johnson C. Philip



Reply by : talmid2 Since : 22 Aug 2007 12:54:20 Close
JCP, spectator did not write it about you. It is not a personal attack. It is a general poem and very beautiful. Why should of you automatically apply it to yourself ??

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Why did u react to this poem, when your name was not mentioned on it?

"thinkest thyself so high above all" do u think so highly above all?

I mean do you have the slighest impression that others think that you are high above all?

Or

You feel that others feel you think highly about yourselves?


You started this thread with no names on it to refer as swines, but many reacted to it.. so did you to the above poem.

So can i conclude that the same spirit "worked" in you as well as the people you intend to call as swines? I mean "worked" - at that point when you reacted..it can happen to anyone irrespective of how high he thinks about himself


One more question.. What was the purpose of this thread? Was it a case study? Bible study? or character study?

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2007 6:14:41 PM Close
oso2005
whats the purpose of digging up this?is it for a case study?bible study? or character study?
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Reply by : oso2005   View Profile   Since : 14 Jan 2008 5:52:14 PM Close
Sorry for being late in this reply.. I am not "digging up" anything. Scroll up this page u can see what I have reposted.

I am sure you know the answer to your question for the reason why I have posted this...to make a point that this person's postings contradict eachother.. !!Else please give a valid reason for not assuming so..

Wilson609 - If you do not want to reason and understand the kind of posting a person puts over here, doesnt mean that others wont!


Why hasn't this person DRJCP replied yet??

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