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# 01419 :  BEWARE

Dear believers in Christ,

Please be cautious...some 'viruses' are created for 'hacking' our words.


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http://avygravy.blogspot.com/
BRETHREN EXPERIMENTS

It has been an interesting Web 2.0 experiment at www.keralabrethren.net...........In fact, this experiment has yielded the simple truth that the leaders of groups like the Kerala Brethren are least like the One they claim to follow - Jesus Christ. Over the next several weeks, I will be placing on this blog the statements by several "leaders" of the Kerala Brethren movement. They will be unable deny these statements because before they could delete those statements they were captured by friends like John Kurien in PDF format......In the next few weeks, we intend to analyse the large amounts of text culled from certain threads on KBNet.....These texts will provide materials that can enable young people and Christians to understand how to escape becoming fundamentalists who spew hatred towards other human beings

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With Christian love,
Jimple

Post by : jimple  View Profile    since : 10 Oct 2007


Reply by : jimple   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2007 6:43:59 AM Close

Elf_Asura/Megalogos :-Full name Ampat Varghese Varghese

He was a journalist with leading Indian English newspapers - Financial Express, The Herald Review (now defunct magazine), Deccan Herald, The Hindu - for 20 years before he changed his job and began teaching Liberal Arts and New Media at the Srishti School of Art, Design and Technology, Bangalore.

See his topics:- http://blogs.icerocket.com/search?q=author%3A%22elf_asura%22

Jimple.

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Reply by : josbr   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2007 7:38:53 AM Close
Their experiment is nothing but an attack on the Brethren as a whole, particularly abuse on the best men in this forum. ( TomJ, JCP, John Miller and GPK)

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you”. (Mathew 5:11-12)

I delight in the Lord. It is a delight also to uphold the saints on the earth in prayer.

“But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.” (Psalm 16:3)

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2007 10:06:24 AM Close
Dear Bro.Jimple,
There is always 2 sides to a story....research on this forum on a lot of previous threads cannot be done...coz a lot have been removed......but there are 2 sides to every story. It is easy to sit on judgement of others, isn't it ???
Anyway he is using his freedom to express his experience/views...don't know whether it includes the right to cutting and pasting others' words and using it out of context....rather to draw biased conclusions.
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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2007 10:18:02 AM Close
It is indeed sad to see how some infiltrate here posing as sincere participants but is truly here to provoke others for the sake of their blogs & journalistic appetite.

A search brought up an interesting fact this pattern of dissidence by them is not new. This seems to be their way of promoting their version of Christianity while maligning others who question or disagree with them.

Please refrain from such discussions with such and their likes as it is unprofitable.

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2007 10:26:38 AM Close
Dear Readers,

A friend of mine brought to my attention reagrding this blog and I read the comments there (mis)quoting what I wrote at KB Net, about six weeks ago.

I thought of publishing the web-address of the blog here, but decided to ignore it. I am glad it is made public by Jimple now.

As long as we stand for scriptural truths and defend it with love we have no reason to be ashamed of.

Now the readers would know what 'elf-assura, megalogos' and few others were upto. Hopefully they will realize the damage that they do to the cause of Christ and devote their energy, money and time for greater things.

Tom J

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Reply by : johnkurienagain   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 5:18:05 AM Close
Hmmmm
So elf_asura becomes famous and you block his IP again. It truly is a case of fear, fear and more beware - be aware. :-)
God bless you all
BAN ME PLEASE!!!
John Kurien
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Reply by : johnkurienagain   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 5:23:37 AM Close
But wisdom says "Listen to Mom 23".
Don't be too upset.
:-)
John Kurien
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Reply by : johnkurienagain   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 6:08:55 AM Close
And Br Varghese
The Brethren do not malign others, is it? They only claim to be doctrinally pure and therefore superior to others!!!!
God bless you
John Kurien
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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 6:48:41 AM Close

The hallmark of Semitic religions (Jewish / Christian / Islam) engaged in proselytizing is intolerance towards other religious groups; even among themselves they have no agreement.

My humble opinion is this: Evangelical Christianity claims knowledge of scriptures and that knowledge have puffed them up; became nastily proud and I haven’t seen the true fruit of the Spirit in most of them. Of course there is a minority- a remnant - as in any age.
Who would like to go near these warring groups? Would the meek and gentle Son of God be pleased with them? I doubt. I have used my freedom with the Lord to tell Him all I felt about them.

In all humility let me tell you: by all means I wish to avoid all these hardened, insensitive, unloving, intolerant, proud Christians who have ceased to be true witnesses of Jesus Christ but only propagators of the petty, fancy ideas of their groups. What is their godliness like? Is it the same Holy Spirit to whom they all submit and is it the same Spirit of God who is counseling them to fight as they do?

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 10:22:32 AM Close
John Kurien,

No one here claims to be superior. The problem is when you and your ‘elf’ friend use this forum for personal agenda & blog promotion. And …… suddenly, the blog is password restricted, why? Is it to cover your tracks? Maybe, a case of fear, as you put it? Some searches have verified that your friend has been a dissident even from his hometown. Please don’t do the same and waste your time here trying to attack Brethren. All you do is spoil the peace this forum has enjoyed for years. Please use your energy and time productivity elsewhere. May God give you insight for the same!

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 4:29:54 PM Close
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

Do not concern yourself with John Kurien and his posts. Treat them as though they do not exist. A cursory inspection of the website or blog, or whatever it is called, which exalts John Kurien's leader shows that it is not Christ-centred. It exists for the glorification of man and the satisfaction of the flesh. The very fact that it portrays young persons drinking beer and the picture gallery clearly exists for the purpose of glorifying the leader who appeared on this forum under the nom-de-plume of "megalogos" should tell us all we need to know.

I must say this in all faithfulness to you our sister Judy and I do so with genuine concern and affection having correponded privately with you. Do not allow yourself to be used by such as John Kurien and his propaganda. There are not two sides to the truth of God's word. What these persons have been trying to do is to cause strife, argument and mischief among genuine Christians for no other reason than that it amuses them to "conduct their experiments". I consider this pathetic behaviour to be an insult to the work of the Holy Spirit of God in the redeemed people of God.

We should all resolutely set our faces against the intervention of this evil cult in the discussion of spiritual matters. The webmasters have set an example by deleting the worst of their posts and we should welcome such action. Dear brethren, turn away from such persons and withdraw from iniquity. On their internet website they malign those who follow Christ knowing that their evil words cannot be contradicted even by the Word of God. Come to a judgement of such evil and turn away from it. God will deal with such perverse conduct by those who outwardly claim to be followers of Christ, in His own time and His own way.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 5:09:37 PM Close
They have restricted the entry to their blog for invitees only, but they can remove the cache from Yahoo search results.

Just type this in Yahoo search column

http://avygravy.blogspot.com john kurien
and enter.

Then click on 'cached' link

Everything comes up

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Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2007 6:10:57 PM Close
Elf-Asura/John Kurien

http://srishti.ac.in

Elf-Asura gives replies about 'guineapigs' in Yahoo answers. At one place he claims he is resides in UK. At another place he claims he is from India.

These people have nothing to do with Christianity. They are Satanic agents.

How could they post this rubbish blog:

Journey to the end of the long, hard, cold, dark night...

"They talked for hours that night.
He told her of his son
She, of her children,
they, of their homes -
and of all their many real hopes, fears and deeds.
The dam of memory had burst.
They took their time
..."

I can not copy down anything more, because it is totally obstructive material. They write with all the ladies around in their community.

Elf_Asura/Megalogos/John Kurien -- You are stripped naked and you say others are afraid of you?

Just quit this place. Otherwise some one will write to 'Srishti'

Administrative Contact :
Kalligudd, Murgesh **
murgesh@manipal.com
7N701, Manipal Center
47, Dickenson Road
Bangalore, Karnataka 560042
IN
Phone: +91-80-41314138
Fax: +91-80-41314139

Ujwal Trust
P.O.Box No 6430 Yelahanka New Town
Bangalore, Karnataka 560064
IN

Domain Name: SRISHTIBLR.ORG


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Reply by : johnkurienagain   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 4:54:21 AM Close
Hello my friends
Be sure I do not fear anyone and I have no problem with the publicity you are giving elf_asura and his blog. But truly, let me leave you in peace with the words written by kbb:
The hallmark of Semitic religions (Jewish / Christian / Islam) engaged in proselytizing is intolerance towards other religious groups; even among themselves they have no agreement.

My humble opinion is this: Evangelical Christianity claims knowledge of scriptures and that knowledge have puffed them up; became nastily proud and I haven’t seen the true fruit of the Spirit in most of them. Of course there is a minority- a remnant - as in any age.
Who would like to go near these warring groups? Would the meek and gentle Son of God be pleased with them? I doubt. I have used my freedom with the Lord to tell Him all I felt about them.

In all humility let me tell you: by all means I wish to avoid all these hardened, insensitive, unloving, intolerant, proud Christians who have ceased to be true witnesses of Jesus Christ but only propagators of the petty, fancy ideas of their groups. What is their godliness like? Is it the same Holy Spirit to whom they all submit and is it the same Spirit of God who is counseling them to fight as they do?
The "guinea-pigs" have proven the above especially the sort of advice John Miller doles out. Hate your fellow human being....well, since I have all the proof I need, I can retire in peace and leave the hate-mongers in peace and in the illusion that they serve God and Christ.
By the way exposure of elf_asura and writing to srishti are also part of the hatemongering and threatening. How Jesus is laughing at all this! The blog is password protected just like you people ban IPs and erase dialogues. Pot calling kettle black again? LOL
Peace to you who hate so much and may God forgive your biased hateful natures.
John Kurien


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Reply by : johnkurienagain   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 5:04:08 AM Close
And as I bid goodbye - just a couple more things - elf_asura is not my leader as John Miller imagines - also TRDS try writing to Srishti - they will just laugh at you and say "what? christians fighting with each other and wanting to ban and ostracise each other?" when elf_asura shows them all the conversations on this site and they will go laughing all the way to their next meal. these wars and hatemongering among christians will only amuse srishti even more than it amused elf_asura and it amuses me.
But this time I do bid adieu my friends adieu adieu adieu .. may the true God of love bless everyone here ...and thanks for all the materials that are being compiled into a handbook which can hopefully be appropriately titled "how to be a christian and not hate those who think differently" ...
God bless you
John Kurien bows out laughing and smiling at all those who are so terribly annoyed and angry and filled with hatred in spite of claiming to follow the Son of God.
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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 5:06:54 AM Close
Dear brethren in Christ
2 Peter 2
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Yours in Christ
Samuel.V.J

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Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 6:53:49 AM Close
I know every criminal goes back to the scene of crime after he/she has committed the crime to watch if there is any one coming there and what sort of investigations are going on. In the process of his/her quest for finding out what is going on he/she gets caught.

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Reply by : kbr   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 9:26:09 AM Close
Ha ha ha, this guinea pig thought he was making others fool. He did not understand at least some others are making fool of him. I have made enough materials for my book from this guninea pig. I'll publish it soon probably with the name 'how to make a fool nervous?' best of luck guniea pig- rest in peace!!! or come with another name!!!
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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 1:19:34 PM Close
Dear friends and brthren,

It is better not to make jokes or treat lightly the attempts of those whose motives are evil. We should rather be on our faces before God that none are deceived by the attempts of the Evil One to bring in division and doubts among the Lord's people. We should also pray that God in His goodness might open their eyes to their own foolishness. Let us pray that they may "turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, to await His Son from the heavens.."

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 1:57:17 PM Close
Dear Bro.John,
I see you are bidding us another "goodbye". I do hope there won't be another round of encore performances after the last curtain call.

You have claimed & whined time and again that everyone here has treated you badly, but you dear sir, have never set any sort of example of how "to behave". All you did was to continue to spout out a lot of your angst.
So, if you are truly honest with yourself, you should mention in the book that a lot of the responses you got in your little "social experiment" was to a great deal because of the way you talked/wrote....That would let the reader get an honest input on the data collected, to help them decide for themselves, don't you think? Because otherwise it is so prejudicial since the author has nothing but an axe to grind.

And another thing...if "elf_asura" actually does show the conversations on this forum to other academicians in his institute, it might bring to light his own immaturity in terms of corresponding like a angst ridden pre-teen...the words he used, some of the thoughts he conveyed were not researched enough and I thought he was a journalist....a profession where the proper use of the language is his bread and butter !!

Good luck with your future plans....

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Reply by : mom23   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 2:10:38 PM Close
My dear Bro.John Miller,
I understand your concerns and thoughts for prayer. My mention of 2 sides to a story had nothing to do with God's truth, but with human behaviour.
I have been aware of Bro.John K. There are always some aspects of a person's point that you agree with, even if as a whole you may not like the approach of him/her. Also one may not always say everything they feel, but choose their battles. It is hard to make yourself completely understood or clear on the net, but it shouldn't be presumed because of that they have no clue to what is going on. That is not right either.
Thank you and I hope you get the point I am trying to make here. Do take care.

Your fellow sister in Christ,
Judy.

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