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# 01474 :  celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial
"40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." 1 Corinthians 15:40

The above verse is from King James Version. What does celestial and terrestial mean?

Thank you.

Post by : gracey  View Profile    since : 11 Dec 2007


Reply by : asdpoilkj   View Profile   Since : 11 Dec 2007 9:18:11 PM Close
Celestial means the planets, the stars and the host of heaven, even that of angels. (not sun and moon as described in verse 41). Terrestrial means of earth -- bodies of men, birds, beasts, etc. The thought presented in verse 40 is different from that of the one presented in verse 41. The contrast was in presenting the difference between heavenly bodies and earthly bodies in one verse, and in another the differnce between the heavenly bodies themselves without comparing them with earthly bodies.

The splendour of celestial bodies differs greatly from that of terrestrial bodies.

Of Celestial: For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)

Of terestrial: And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. (Matthew 6:28-29)

For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: (1 Peter 1:24)

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 7:01:12 AM Close
Dear Gracey,

Thank you for starting this thread. I hope that the verses are from 1 Corinthians 15. The Greek expression SOMARA EPOURANTA means “heavenly bodies,” and SOMATA EPIGEIA means “earthly bodies.” Unfortunately, in KJV they are translated as you quoted. We are still on this earth in our earthly bodies. When we die, our earthly bodies are buried in this earth and it will return to dust. When we are raised, we are raised in heavenly bodies and not on our earthly bodies. The misunderstanding that we will have a misunderstanding is used by the world to mock our faith in the Lord’s promise. They even make-up scenarios not to eat an apple, because our bodies might have nourished that tree to produce that apple, we eat. We will be raised in a body that is fit to be in the heavenlies.

The contrast is not between the resurrected heavenly bodies and the earthly bodies of our present day. The contrast is between the resurrected heavenly bodies of believers and the resurrected earthly bodies of the unbelievers who will stand before the Great White Throne. Those who will be raised to go into the lake of fire will have an earthly body that will suffer eternally.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : gracey   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 8:09:58 AM Close
Thank you for both answering my question.

Mr.Koshy, you clarified the verse 40. Could you please explain the son, moon and stars that mentioned in the verse 41.

I would like you to help me understand the verse 1 Corinthians 12:2. Why the King James version says "third heaven"? Is there something called "second heaven" or "first heaven"?

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Reply by : gracey   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 8:16:31 AM Close
Sorry, it is not 1 Corinthians 12:2, but 2 Corinthians 12:2. Thanks.
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 9:34:35 AM Close
Dear Gracey,

From 2 Corinthians 12:2, we learn that there is a third heaven. We read that Apostle Paul was “caught up to the third heaven.’ It was about fifteen years before he wrote this epistle to the saints at Corinth. That is at the time he met the Lord Jesus Christ for the first time. In addition to what we read in Acts 8, Saul the Pharisee also heard certain revelation that is not for man to utter.

This verse also creates the idea of a ‘first heaven’ and a ‘second heaven.’ We do not read about these heavens using such terms. We could infer about them.

We read in the Scripture that heaven is God’s throne and earth is His footstool. Then we also read about in creation that God created the heavens and the earth on the first day. On the second day, he created an expanse and called it heavens, also. This heavens is different from the heavens of the first day. On the fourth day, God created the sun, moon, and stars “in the expanse of the heavens.” This expanse of the heavens is what he created on the second day. On the fifth day, he created the birds that fly “above the earth in the expanse of the heavens.” Thus, we are shown a difference between the heavens that God created. One is mentioned as “the heaven,” on the first day of creation. Then there is what is “above the earth in the expanse of the heavens,” on the fifth day of creation. In between these two, there is another one, “expanse of the heavens,” on the fourth day of creation. Using 2 Corinthians 12:2, we could deduct that the first day of creation was the third heaven, the fourth day of creation deals with the second heaven, if we could use that term. The fifth day of creation reveals the ‘first heaven,’ if we could use that term. On the second day, the creation included both the first and second heavens.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 9:43:29 AM Close
Dear Gracey,

There are many ways this verse could be understood. One of them is in relation to the function of the sun, moon, and stars. The sun provides the heat, light, and various other things to sustain our life on earth. The moon reflects the light of the sun to the world that is in darkness. The stars declare the glory of God as the Psalmist wrote in Psalm 19.

In Malachi 4:2, we read that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Sun of righteousness. If He is the Sun of righteousness, then the Assembly that reflects His light to the world that is in darkness is the moon. The Israel along with all Old Testament Saints and those who will be saved during the Great Tribulation and the Millennium are the stars. They also bear witness to God’s power.

If we muse on this, then we will come to realize that the resurrection of the saints in 1 Corinthians 15 includes all saints from Adam until then. There will be three different groups of those who rose from the dead, starting with the Lord Jesus Christ. All of them will be in the clouds and meet the Sun of righteousness. Our glory will be different from that of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the first-fruit from among the dead.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : gracey   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 11:54:31 AM Close
Thank you very much for answering my question.

If the "third heaven" is the heaven where a believer will go after he dies, why paul was taken up to that heaven without dying. Or is it Paul died for a while, and he was taken up?

Isn't correct that when a believer die, he or she will go to "the heaven".

Can you also please tell me where the paradise is? I'm talking about the Paradise Jesus told about to the thief. Is Paradise the same as the heaven?

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 12 Dec 2007 1:43:49 PM Close
Dear Gracey,

Paul did not die; he was caught up to the third heaven. It was like Enoch or as Elijah. Unlike the other two, Paul returned to earth. Therefore, Paul said that he is ignorant about the nature of that transfer. He cannot say whether it was in his body or not. It was a real transfer of a person of this earth to the presence of God.

Do the saints go to heaven, when he/she dies? We do not read this in the scriptures. On the other hand, we read that our death is “to be with the Lord.” Concerning this, Apostle Paul wrote in Philippians 221-23. In verse 23 we read, “…having the desire for departure and being with Christ.” This “being with Christ” could be considered as “being in heaven.” ‘Where the Lord Jesus Christ is, that is heaven’ is the justification of the common saying that a saint went to heaven. Scriptural saying will be, “He/she went to be with Christ.” A saint is a part of the Ekklesia that the Son builds, he/she is a member of the Bride, he/she is a living stone of the building that is being built, and he/she is a member of the temple – the Assembly. We, the members of the body on earth that is united to its glorified head, Christ. When we die, we go to be with the Head, Christ.

About Paradise: the Jews taught that Abraham’s bosom was the Paradise. If that was true, Lazarus was in Paradise. Paul wrote that the third heaven as Paradise in 2 Corinthians 12:4. In Revelation 2:8, the Lord Jesus Christ said that the tree of life is in the paradise of God. The last two references tell us that Paradise is in heaven and it is the garden of God as Eden was for Adam and the Woman.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : gracey   View Profile   Since : 13 Dec 2007 9:38:08 AM Close
Thank you for helping me.

Are the heavens other than "the third heaven" for mortal living only? Or is it for any believer who die and join with Christ later? It is like a believer living in the second heaven, and another believer living in the first heaven. Did Jesus mean these heavens when he said there are "many rooms" in my fathers house (John 14:2).

Blessings.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 13 Dec 2007 11:07:12 AM Close
Dear Gracey,

The “third heaven” is an abstract truth that made historical, when Paul was caught up into it, fifteen years before he wrote about it one of his epistles. Therefore, it is a real place. We do not read in the Scripture that that is where all believers go, when they die. We go to be with Christ. That is what we read.

In John 14, we read about the Father’s house. The Father’s house has many ‘abodes.' The translation of it as “mansions” is not exactly right. There are many placing to abide. However, there was none at the time our Lord Jesus Christ talked about in John 14 for us. He mentioned about it on the night in which He was betrayed. Our abode, as a Bride and the Body, is in preparation.

So long as we do not have a clear teaching about its location by name (‘Third heaven' is the name indicative of a location to where Paul was caught up), we should not confound places and promises. If we do, we will go wrong. That is a sure thing; because of our human intelligent is what establishes such teachings. I wish to stay away from that error.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : gracey   View Profile   Since : 14 Dec 2007 8:06:26 AM Close
Thank you very much for the answers. It helped me a lot. Blessings.
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