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# 00536 :  Benny Hinn's description of 9 persons in the Trinity
Dear 'varghesep,'

On 18/3/2005 you wrote under 'English Worship Leaders,' "Did I say I don't believe in Trinity? Did I speak against Trinity? If anyone else in this forum look at my postings, they can make a good judgement out of it. What I asked is, show me the Biblical Passages that talk about Trinity to clarify Benn Hinn's description of 9 persons in the Trinity?"

I have already asked for scriptural justification of another statement of yours in another place. Will you provide the nine persons who is the only one God whose name is revealed to us as "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." You could see this in Mathew 28:19. I wonder how the nine persons are the three persons as Benny Hinn teaches or describes. Does he knows how to count? Please provide the scriptures to identify the nine persons that Benny Hinn describes as the Trinity (the three persons).

Shalom malekim!!!

Post by : George P. Koshy  View Profile    since : 21 Mar 2005


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2005 9:09:15 AM Close
Dear 'varghesep,'

Are you telling that you will not answer? If you have answered it before, all you have to do is to cut and pate it here. I failed to see your answer elsewehre. My question is simple. We will discuss about the scriptural validity of the '9 = 3' after you provide the answer. I don't know much about its theology.

If you hold the teachings of Benny Hinn on 9 persons in the godhead, then you do not hold the teaching or doctrine of Trinity. You are holding 'Neunity' or 'Novemity.' (I coined these two words using the Latin and Greek words for 'nine.' A similar practice coined the word "Trinity," in the 4th century.) Trinity is a well established, accepted, and scripturally sound doctrine among Christians since the 4th century. Even the unbelieving world accepts its premises.

If you speak on behalf of Benny Hinn's teaching of 9 persons in the godhead, you are speaking about a different god that is not in the scriptures and against what is taught as "Trinity" by many Christians for centuries.

You also wrote that any one who look at your postings can make 'good judgment' about it. Well, I did look at it and came to the good judgment that you speak against the Triune God, or the doctrine of Trinity. I am willing to reconsider my judgment, if you will provide the answers to my questions and they are scripturally justifiable. My question appears as the first posting in this thread. (I even started this new thread to accomodate our discussion.)

You have shown a pattern of not answering questions on your statements, if it appears to be damaging to your position. I have asked you more than one question based on your postings in other threads and you did not answer them.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 22 Mar 2005 10:05:13 AM Close
Must the readers infer that the Poster believes in 100s of persons in Trinity or must we consider everyone's theology to arrive to a doctrinal stand? Please explain.

God Bless!

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Reply by : drjcp   View Profile   Since : 23 Mar 2005 8:23:37 AM Close
Dear Dr. GPK,

I am sorry to interrupt, but allow me to post a few comments about VargheseP

He says,

"You will find answers to Trinity in my other posting in a different thread. You will not only find 9 persons, you will find hundreds of persons in Trinity if we take theology of each and everyone"

It is obvious that this person who has tried to reprsent himself as an "evangelical" Christian is totally heretic in his beliefs. As a consequence, it has become necessary for him to endorse the type of people who cheat, embezzel, fornicate, talk of murder, sodomize young people, seduce young underlings, and populae whore-houses.

It is a shame that the Christian community has tolerated the large number of Tele Evangelists who have milked people out of money, sexual purity, and doctrinal integrity.

Worse, people are willing to defend them.

VargheseP would love to denounce the doctrine of Trinity and tear it into shreds.

We await [often with a chuckle] his responses to your balanced biblical arguments Dr. GPK

Johnson C. Philip

PS: if Operation Mobilization, which calls itself an Evangelical publishing house, is going to promote this kind of a person, then I might call them and their financial supporters. I am sure those who read these comments would do the same. I will post the OM India and International addresses as and when needed.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Mar 2005 10:53:39 AM Close
Dear 'varghesep,'

I am asking you to subatantiate your statement on this forum about the Benny Hinn's 9 persons. Let me make one thing clear, I DID NOT ASK YOU HOW YOU PRAY OR TO WHOM YOU PRAY. It was your statement about your earthly spiritual leader, Benny Hinn, that was in qestion. Why are you behaving like a man out of control at the word 'Trinity?' After we discuss your statement of Benny Hinn's nine (9) persons, I am willing to discuss about 'Trinity.' I could show from the scriptures what is meant by Trinity. It will be only after you show me from the scriptures about Benny Hinn's nine (9) persons. If not, you are deceiving many through your scripturally unfounded assertions. From the scriptures, we know who is the deciever! He began his act of deception at the Garden of Eden. Are you one of his followers? If 'yes,' then this discussion ends. If your answewr is 'no,' then you must support your assertions from the scriptures.

Our discussion will be from the scriptrues, using the scriptures, and will proceed following the axioms of logic (this could include Euclidean, Newtonian, Einsteinian, probabilistic, etc.). I will be glad to post the rules of engagement. All you have to do is to post the nine persons of your leader Benny Hinn and support its validity from the scriptures.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : tiju   View Profile   Since : 24 Mar 2005 4:15:25 AM Close
Dear Bro.GPK,

Bro.JCP has revealed the entire fact about "varheseep" so i think he's much more in a tight corner to answer your question.
It is written "Many will come in My name",
"I send you as lambs among wolves".
So i feel that we need to understand such mockers and father of lies.
The best thing to do about them is AVOID them.
To Mr.Varheseep
If you think further you can use this forum to implement your false prophesy and marketing techniques,we would not be silent any more.

Tiju

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Reply by : tiju   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2005 1:27:38 AM Close
varheseep,

My friend JCP would answer you regarding the pictures on his website.

What makes you feel that im desperate to get your personal details,you're easily available for 150 rupees rite,dont woory if i want your details i would not let you type it,i rather would get it from the CD.

Could you please let know what is "item no 7", Is that your new album?

You make a lot of mockery do you think you can intend to make such statements?

You check your "item no 7" and get back to me.

Tiju

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2005 9:38:08 PM Close
Mr. varghesep:

You express yourself as a very angry man. People usually resort to such tactics when they have nothing substantial to bring to the table, or they have no answer.

But such tantrums work better in a home setting, rather than in a public forum such as this.

I hope you will change your tone and display common courtesy to each other.

Tom J

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Reply by : mjt   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2005 9:45:52 PM Close
DEAR SAINTS, IT IS HIGH TIME FOR ALL TRUE BELIEVERS TO IGNORE VARGHESEP WHO SEEMS TO BE AN UNBELIEVER.A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN WILL NEVER MOCK A GREAT MAN OF GOD LIKE DR. JOHNSON C.PHILIP.WE ALL NEED TO PARAY FOR THIS PERSON WHO SEEMS TO BE MENTALLY DISTUBED.THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR ANY PERSONAL ATTACK, BUT ONLY FOR GENUINE DICUSSION TO EDIFY BELIEVERS.
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Reply by : tiju   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2005 1:46:07 AM Close
varheseep,

My education about forum is limited i agree but so far my replies in this forum has not been suspended unlike yours.So the most educated varheseep lacks a bit of common sense.

Yes myself and Bro JCP have no differences we are one in Christ but you're satanic.

Im writing this reply only because the Word says "Resist the devil".

As Bro.Tomj rightly said you have nothing substantial to bring to the table,you're just barking about things.

Dear Brethren,

Please pray for vargheseep.

Tiju

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Reply by : shawncuthill.com   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2005 9:26:23 AM Close
Sadly, Benny Hinn is originally from Toronto. I met his neice once while handing out gospel tracts. She thought he was a complete phony. I am sorry that we did not do a better job of nipping this heretic in the bud.

Shawn

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 30 Mar 2005 1:15:55 PM Close
Dear 'varghesep,' - Part-1/2

On 18/3/2005 under ‘English Worship Leaders,’ ‘varghesep’ wrote, “Did I say I don’t believe in trinity? Did I speak against Trinity?…What I asked is, show me the Biblical passages that talk about Trinity to clarify Benn Hinn’s description of 9 persons in Trinity?” I asked you to provide the list of the nine persons of Benny Hinn’s teaching. So far, about nine days later, I still am waiting to hear from you. One day for each person has passed, yet no answer from you. You posted something on 22/3/2005 and 28/3/2005. None of them provided scriptural justification for Benny Hinn’s nine persons teaching that you hold and support.

One, who has no scriptural support for what he writes, demands scriptural support from others on their answer!!! It is hypocrisy. On 25/3/2005 under “Going to hell!,” ‘varghesep’ wrote, “Yes, biblical references should be posted to explain the above.” That is your requirement from others.

Under “Gold and Salvation,” ‘varghesep’ wrote, “but do the people, who say they accepted Jesus as their savior and still wear Gold, still go to heaven?” Where do ‘varghesep’ see that ‘people can be saved by saying that they accepted Jesus Christ?’ I asked about this on 25/3/2005 and still am waiting for an answer.

In the absence of a meaningful reply, I assume that ‘varghesep’ does not have an answer, but have a lot of arguments about nothing. He appears to be like an amateur or novice astronomer who studies about the movements of the systems of heavenly bodies from the orbit of a distant and small planet, without taking into account of the central throne around which the whole revolves. Previously, I suggested two names for the Benny Hinn’s nine (9) persons, derived from Latin. If we want to be scientific, we could use a French term “NEFNOMY,” from NEF meaning nine (9) and NOM meaning ‘name.’

(To be cont. Part 2/2)

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 30 Mar 2005 1:19:21 PM Close
Dear 'varghesep,' - Part-2/2

...But I prefer, another one and it is “NOWNAMA” from the Hindi word for nine, NOW, and for ‘name,’ NAMA. (I coined these two words for ease of discussion) This Nownama is not seen anywhere in the scriptures, so is the word Trinity. Now we are on an even level. Varghesep should know that after he provides the scriptural justification for the Nownama, Benny Hinn’s Nine Person Doctrine, I would be glad to expound on Trinity from the scriptures. Of course, it is not by writing Trinity repeatedly as ‘varghesep’ does.

About this teaching of Nownama, it is propagated by Benny Hinn, who is a leader of people who fall backward. Let me briefly explain the significance of this ‘Falling Backward Nownama Teaching.’ In Acts 1:16 we read that Judas Iscariot became the leader of those who took Jesus to be crucified. In John 18:6 we read that when he lead them to capture our Lord Jesus Christ, they all fell backward at His word, “I Am.” This similarity makes Benny Hinn a follower of Judas Iscariot in whom Satan entered (John 13:27). We, those who are born of God fall before Him in worship as Abraham did. The 24 elders also fell before Him in worship. None fell backward, except the followers of Judas Iscariot. Satan is the one who took the scriptures out of its context and tried to tempt our Lord, but He showed Him what the scripture says. When ‘varghesep’ provides the scriptural references to justify Nownama, we will expose his trickery of quoting scriptures as his leader does.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : llcj   View Profile   Since : 30 Mar 2005 10:32:43 PM Close
Just for the sake of context. In Benny Hinn's own words:

"Each one of them is a triune being by Himself...there's nine of them" (Trinity Broadcasting network, October 1990)

"God the Father is a person separate from the Holy Ghost. Totally separate. ...Do you know that the Holy Spirit has a soul and a body separate from that of Jesus and the Father? ...God the Father then is a triune being within Himself. He's a person, He has His own Spirit, He has a soul. …A soul is my intellect. …God thinks. …separate from the Son and separate from the Holy Ghost. …God the Father is a separate individual from the Son and the Holy Ghost, who is a triune being who walks in a spirit body and He has hair…has eyes…has a mouth…has hands" (Orlando Christian Centre, Oct 13th 1990).

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Reply by : brownsugar   View Profile   Since : 31 Mar 2005 2:28:32 PM Close
Benny hinn makes some intresting prohpnecies. The scripture says, "if one says go into the secret chambers dont follow, and if someone says unto you- i will be in the ends of the earth dont go". I wont judge benny hinn like a cover of a book, but as long as hes bringing precious souls to salvation thats all that matters. Hes a good man, but has misaccurate prophecies.

1. On "TBN" the notorious Benny Hinn prophecied, "Jesus will kill all the homosexsuals in 3 years".
2. Benny Hinn told the world news, "Jesus will physically appear himself in the flesh with me, next summer meeting". He thought the lord will literally manifest in the flesh- on one of his crusades.
3. There are 9 persons in the holy trinity.
4. MSNBC- a corporate news channel investigated the notorious benny hinn. They found he has been using hundreds of thousands of dollars on his suits and fancy stays.
I have to look at Benny hinn from both angles: he may have intresting prophecies, but he as long as hes beinging souls into the kingdome of god, hes fine!

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 31 Mar 2005 2:31:40 PM Close
Dear 'llcj,'

Will you be kind enough to explain what you quoted from Benny Hinn? If your intent is to provide a glimps of what he teaches, then I don't know what to say! If you are providing Benny Hinn's teachings for discussion, then please provide scriptural support for them.

Shalom malekim!!!

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