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# 00783 :  Days before brethren
Praise be to Our Lord and Heavenly Father,


Greetings to you all in the name of our Lord nd heavenly father,


As I want to post a new topic , hope all the brethren in this forum will co-operate and come up with a suitable reply not for a harsh debate but for a spiritual chat.


Brethren Assembly history starts around one and a half century ago and we are proud we have been taught abd we know the scriptures more than the other denominations, Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven to be with the heavenly father around A.D.30 and the disciples of Jesus christ went around the world spreading the Good news of our salvation. What about the millions of Saints who lived a life for christ but not like our teachings uptil the Brethren Assembly came into existence 150 years ago. How can we classify them


May God shower his blessings upon each and everyone.

Post by : nelnob1  View Profile    since : 18 Feb 2006


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 Feb 2006 11:35:30 AM Close
Dear 'nelnob1,' Part-1

On 18 Feb 2006 ‘nelnob1’ started this thread. As no one answered and the thread is titled “Days before brethren,” let me try to provide some answer.

The Assembly came into existence on the 50th day after the resurrection of Christ. It was the day when the Holy Spirit was sent down by the Son from the Father for the purpose of comforting the disciples and they should not feel as being orphans without the Lord with them. In Matthew 16:18 our Lord said that He is the one who will (future) build the Assembly. In 1 Corinthians 12:13 we are told that it is the body into which the believers are added as its members. In Revelation 21 & 22 we are told that the Bride, the Assembly, will come from heaven fully adorned. In John 14 the disciples were told that when the Holy Spirit will come, He would bring all that the Lord Jesus Christ taught them to their memory, slowly. What was brought into their memory is what we read in detail in Acts and the epistles.

We also read about the local assemblies in the epistles. There we also read how easy and quick it was for the local assemblies to deviate from what they were taught by the apostles. What is required of the local assemblies are what is given in Acts and the epistles. That is the requirements of God and we consider them as the New Testament truths or principles for our faith and conduct. Unfortunately, instead of being obedient to the New Testament principles, the local assemblies were lead away by men like Simon Magus of Samaria. We read about him in Acts 8. He is the father of all heresies. Then there were a series of heretical teachers. Some of them are: Hymenaeus, Philetus, Sebalius, Pelagius, Arius, Mani, Nestorius, and so on. Under their influence, the local assemblies forsook their Lord and embraced a number of alien teachings from the world. Even the Reformation was not successful to bring them back to all the New Testament principles...-->

(To be cont. Part-2)

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 21 Feb 2006 11:37:14 AM Close
Dear 'nelnob1,' Part-2

<--...During Reformation, God used men like: Luther, Calvin, Zwingle, LaFavre, and so on. The Reformation was a great step towards the New Testament principle, but it was not sufficient. In 19th century, certain men were encouraged by the Holy Spirit to study the scriptures and those principles that were still hidden and stayed as being lost came to the forefront. Some of these men were: J.N. Darby, C.J. Davis, F.W. Grant, A. N. Grove, C. Hodge, F.C. Jennings, W. Kelley, R.F. Kingscote, J.R. Littleproud, C.H. Mackintosh, T. Newberry, C. Stanley, G.V. Wigram. (This is not a complete list.) When these men saw the New Testament principles, they obeyed them and encouraged others to return to simplicity as established in the 1st century. This return to simplicity is generally remarked as “brethren Assembly,” though they do not accept this name. It was given to them, because they always said that they were “brethren from’ such as such a place, similar to ’brethren from Corinth,’ ‘brethren from Galatia,’ etc. We also hear about “brethren from Kerala,” brethren from Andhra,” “brethren from Scotland,” (Brother John Miller, I cannot leave my highlander brother in Christ out of this list!), and so on. The “brethren Assembly” did not come into existence 150 years ago; they came into existence 50 days after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. What you see is the return to simplicity according to the New Testament pattern.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 22 Feb 2006 8:07:36 AM Close
nelnob1,

If you can get last 2 months "good news", a malayalam pentacosthu news weekly, published by C. V. Mathew, you can see a series of article by Br. J.C. Dev describing the early Bretheren Church (1860's).

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 22 Feb 2006 8:41:47 AM Close
'sunilajoseph@aol.com,'

You will not get a better one than the Word of God. There we read about the "brethren," from the sweet lips of the risen Lord Jesus Christ, and the beginning of their history in the 'Acts of the Apostles.'

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2006 6:02:09 AM Close
Please forgive my ignorance. What is the difference between Brethren and Chirstian?
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Reply by : matt10_8   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2006 6:06:18 AM Close
Correction Christian not Chirstian
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2006 9:59:09 AM Close
'matt10_8,'

You did not answer my question related to your user ID, in another thread, "Holy Spirit - Baptism & Filling." I asked about 'raising the dead,' having more than one set of clothing, etc. Answer my questions first. Don't behave like Mrs. Joseph.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2006 8:46:56 PM Close
gpk,

I forgive you.

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Reply by : philip2   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2006 9:18:39 PM Close
Dear Dr. GPK are you saying that then Brethren church was part of the Roman Catholic Church?
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 2 Mar 2006 1:24:41 PM Close
Dear 'philip2,'

What I wrote was that the Lord Jesus Christ is the originator of the "brethren." After His resurrection he told Mary, "go to my brethren and say to them." (John 20:17)

I don't know why you and others think that Christianity had its beginning in the late 3rd or the early 4th century? According to the Bible and history it started in the 1st century. Roman Catholicism had its beginning a few hundred years later.

Shalom malekim!!!

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Reply by : bthomas   View Profile   Since : 12 Apr 2006 12:58:01 AM Close
“What is the difference between Brethren and Christian?”
The Brethren church is one of many Christian denominations. The Bretheren of India started in the late 1800’s.


“What I wrote was that the Lord Jesus Christ is the originator of the "brethren."”
Jesus Christ was the originator of the Christian church. The Brethren movement started 1500 years after His death and resurrection. Many Christians attend the Brethren church.

“I don't know why you and others think that Christianity had its beginning in the late 3rd or the early 4th century? According to the Bible and history it started in the 1st century. Roman Catholicism had its beginning a few hundred years later.”
Actually the Roman Catholic Church started in the early second century. Many Christians also attended this church then and attend it today.

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Reply by : bthomas   View Profile   Since : 12 Apr 2006 6:07:18 PM Close
Sorry, instead of : Jesus Christ was the originator of the Christian church.
I meant to say, Jesus Christ is the originator of all Christians.
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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 20 Apr 2006 10:20:03 AM Close
Thanks for all in this thread,

Well I coundnt get a proper response to my question till now, the replies were near, we believe that we teach and we follow the scriptures in the exact way the scriptures has taught us not moving left or right, and we are sure we will be the inheritants of heavenly kingdom , because the basic requirements to inherit the kingdom of heaven to admit that I am a sinner and to accept Jesus christ as our personal saviour that he had come to this world for me , died for my sins on the cross, buried and rose on the third day, and later to be part of the Lord table we give our willingness to accept Lord publically in water as baptism and to live a life with christ . Then there are some other additonal teaching in several other denomination which doesnt have brethern label , will they also be a part of the heavelny paradise with us ?


An earnest answer is expected for all in the thread


Yours in Christ

Nelnob1

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 20 Apr 2006 1:24:53 PM Close
Dear Nelnob1,

John 3:16 makes it clear, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes on Him will not perish but have everlasting life."

There will be no denominations, sects or individually distinct churches by nationality or any other label in heaven. Every single person will be eternally in the Paradise of God on the merit of his or her relationship with Jesus as personal Saviour, and absolutely no other basis. Brethren have no monopoly on the grace of God, any more than Baptists, Church of Scotland, Church of England, etc., etc.

I look forward to being filled with reverent and holy astonishment as I behold the Glorious Saviour surrounded by the mighty host, redeemed by His blood from every tongue and nation. Christian brethren will be a tiny percentage of that vast throng.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : nelnob1   View Profile   Since : 22 Apr 2006 3:37:02 AM Close
Dear Br.John

Thank you dear brother, for your open respose, which is often hidden by several brethren, but if you are a part of our nation of India, you can feel a differnce in attitude among the born again believers of different denomination, even doesnt allow to take part in the Lords table if he or she is of another denomination, and everyone is considered superior to each other, this is why I had to come up with this question. It is a fact throughout our nation specially Kerala all the born again denomination criticise each other considering each one of them to be perfect in the word of God and Justifying the claim by quoting verses from different part of the scriptures and thus we have hundreds of denominations.Criticism which is a part of Galatians 5 vs 19-21, and hope it is the work of flesh as per the scriptures. Let each one of the Born again believers submit ourselves before God humbly to lead a Life with Christ


Yours in Christ
Nelnob1

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 22 Apr 2006 5:34:27 AM Close
Dear Nelnob1'

Do not imagine that this attitude of superiority by many Christian denominations is peculiar to India, or more specifically Kerala. It is very prevalent in The United Kingdom and probably more so in Scotland. I believe in fact that it is universal. Unfortunately it is a sad symptom of the public breakdown of the church, and dishonours the Name of our Lord Jesus.

It is right, of course, that if a company of Christians decline to judge and deal with sin in their midst, others might feel constrained from having fellowship with them. However, many feel the need to restrict practical fellowship to those with whom they see eye to eye on every interpretation and application of scripture, down to the smallest detail. I do not think this is right, whether it occurs in India or Scotland.

God bless!

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 24 Apr 2006 8:20:47 AM Close
Dear Nelnob1,

Please remember that there is a big difference between 'brethren' and 'Brethren.' I wrote about the first. I am not a member of the later. The first is a relationship, while the second is a name used to identify a group to this world. The realization of the relationship, 'brethren,' requires the full acceptance of the Father and the Lordship of His only begotten Son.

Shalom malekim!!!

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